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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 12 January 2026
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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

United Kingdom Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 November 2022

Finlay Carson

That concludes our business in public.

11:06 Meeting continued in private until 12:00.  

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Common Frameworks

Meeting date: 2 November 2022

Finlay Carson

Stakeholders highlight that, although frameworks allow for different approaches when the four nations diverge, they are still vital. Given the four-country approach to regulation and decision making, are there areas in which the framework will create a closer collaboration between the four nations than previously existed?

10:00  

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Common Frameworks

Meeting date: 2 November 2022

Finlay Carson

Our second item of business is an evidence session on common frameworks with the Cabinet Secretary for Rural Affairs and Islands. I welcome to the meeting the cabinet secretary, Mairi Gougeon; George Burgess, the director of agriculture and rural economy at the Scottish Government; and Euan Page, the head of United Kingdom frameworks at the Scottish Government.

I invite the cabinet secretary to make an opening statement.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Common Frameworks

Meeting date: 2 November 2022

Finlay Carson

I presume that the framework is there to deal with the Scottish Government’s position of wanting to align with EU law, which is contrary to the position of some other Administrations.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Common Frameworks

Meeting date: 2 November 2022

Finlay Carson

Thank you.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Common Frameworks

Meeting date: 2 November 2022

Finlay Carson

I suggest that we focus not on the genetic modification bill specifically, but on the general approach that you would take in seeking an exception and how you would make the case for that.

In your answer, perhaps you could also consider this. We have touched on the single-use plastics exclusion. The process for that was a bit messy and it did not go particularly well. What lessons have you learned from that, and what different approach might you take if you were looking for an exclusion again?

Perhaps you could put all of that in your answer.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Common Frameworks

Meeting date: 2 November 2022

Finlay Carson

Thank you. That is useful. With regard to practicality, when an exclusion is suggested or requested, at what point do all the devolved nations get involved? Does that happen from the outset? If there is a request for an exclusion on single-use plastics, for example, do the Welsh Parliament and the Northern Ireland Assembly get involved in that discussion or negotiation from the outset, as part of the framework, or do they do so only when there is a potential issue?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Common Frameworks

Meeting date: 2 November 2022

Finlay Carson

Okay. So—just to get it clear in my head—the practical way to do that would be through the policy collaboration group, which has civil servants from the four nations on it. Then, the senior officials programme board, which also has representation from the four nations, would scrutinise it and look at any potential issues. The policy would then go to the interministerial group, where a final decision would potentially be agreed.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Common Frameworks

Meeting date: 2 November 2022

Finlay Carson

Rachael, do you want to continue with your line of questioning?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Common Frameworks

Meeting date: 2 November 2022

Finlay Carson

Alasdair Allan has a supplementary question.