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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 13 January 2026
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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Finlay Carson

Part 1 of the bill says quite clearly:

“a person is ‘using a dog’ when the hunting of a wild mammal by that person involves the use of a dog, even if the dog is not under that person’s control or direction (and related expressions are to be construed accordingly).”

It is quite clear that it would be very difficult indeed to continue rough shooting in circumstances other than when there were only two dogs, exception or not.

I will move on now, with a question from Mercedes Villalba.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Finlay Carson

I am afraid that that issue veers away from rough shooting.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Finlay Carson

That was helpful.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Finlay Carson

Yes. That is outwith the scope of today’s conversation.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Finlay Carson

Does the bill need to be amended to make it easier for Police Scotland to protect those who are not committing crimes and to prosecute those who are?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 16 November 2022

Finlay Carson

Good morning, and welcome to the 30th meeting in 2022 of the Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee. I remind members who are using electronic devices to switch them to silent.

Our first item of business is an evidence session with the Scottish Government bill team on the Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill. I welcome: Hugh Dignon, head of the wildlife and flood management unit; Leia Fitzgerald, bill team leader; Rebecca Greenan, deputy bill team leader; and Amy Hogarth, solicitor.

We have about 60 minutes in which to ask various questions. I will kick off, starting with Hugh Dignon. What do you understand the meaning of rough shooting to be?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 16 November 2022

Finlay Carson

There would be no intention for a dog to chase a rabbit, hare or pheasant; it is all about flushing. The purpose of a rough shoot is to shoot and not to have the dogs play any part other than flushing.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 16 November 2022

Finlay Carson

Following the session with the bill team and consideration of the written submissions, do members wish to take further evidence from stakeholders to explore some of the issues that have been raised through our additional call for views?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 16 November 2022

Finlay Carson

Mr Dignon, you have suggested that you understand exactly what rough shooting is, and that we understand exactly what hunting with packs is. You have said that there was no intention to ban rough shooting, so why not have an exemption for rough shooting? If it is so clearly defined and everything will be okay once the bill is in place, because people make assumptions, why not just exempt rough shooting from the bill?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 16 November 2022

Finlay Carson

Surely, the reason we are here is that what is in the bill at the moment and the subsequent additional information or guidance that the minister provided creates loopholes. If rough shooting is so clearly defined in your head and everybody knows what it is and what a pack of dogs working would look like, why not just exempt rough shooting? Why would that create a loophole?