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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 13 July 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

A Climate Transition for Scottish Agriculture

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Finlay Carson

Okay. Thank you.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Finlay Carson

I suppose my point is that there is still confusion about ARIOB. I am glad that Mandy Callaghan suggested that she will set out exactly what it is. We keep hearing that ARIOB is really important. Kate Rowell said:

“Things are discussed, everyone around the table gives their opinion”.

Pete Ritchie said:

“We have spent a lot of time on very small institutional issues with the delivery aspect of the rural payments and inspections division”

and on

“tweaking small details”.—[Official Report, Rural Affairs and Islands Committee, 12 March 2025; c 17, 16-17]

However, when it came to the crunch, the panel more or less agreed that, although it is not a decision-making body, ARIOB has, to date, made no tangible difference to policy direction.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Finlay Carson

That was a panel of witnesses, two of whom sit on ARIOB.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Finlay Carson

If there has been all that communication, why, without exception, did everybody last week say that communication had been woeful?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Finlay Carson

When did you first meet with FAST?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Finlay Carson

Those are not the committee’s criticisms: we are reflecting what we heard. You say that you will continue the dialogue, but that dialogue is not working at the moment. We heard concerns about an SSI from the crofters, who suggested that there is a lack of understanding of their issues, and Jonnie Hall told us that

“communication has been absolutely woeful—in fact, it has been completely lacking.”—[Official Report, Rural Affairs and Islands Committee, 12 March 2025; c 24.]

Not only do those in the industry think that they are not being listened to; the communication of your message is just not happening. Jim Walker told us:

“ARIOB is a fig leaf for not doing anything. It is a way of pretending to engage with the industry, then doing what you like and picking bits from other reports.”—[Official Report, Rural Affairs and Islands Committee, 12 March 2025; c 18.]

We do not appear to be in a particularly good place.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Finlay Carson

My questions revolve around the lack of information in the policy note and the reasons for that.

Some of the detail that the minister is covering today is not covered in the policy note. There was no information relating to the Scottish pubs code adjudicator, and there was no reason why that was not in there. We also cannot quite understand why QMS was not included in the schedule right from the start or why it has now been included, given that—as the minister said—it has its own internal audit system. The biggest issue that we have is that that information was not included in the policy note.

There was also no commencement date in the policy note. The minister is telling us this morning that the commencement date is 31 March, but that was excluded. We are simply trying to understand why the policy note was so lacking. It did not even mention the five organisations that are gonnae be removed.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Finlay Carson

Our next item of business is a short evidence session with the minister on future agriculture policy. At the end of last week’s meeting, members agreed that it would be useful to follow up on a few points that had arisen in the discussions about the ability of future agriculture policy to facilitate a reduction in carbon emissions from agriculture.

I ask the minister to make a short opening statement.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Finlay Carson

Last week was the first time that the committee had the opportunity to hear evidence from members of ARIOB and other stakeholders and to ask them questions. What we heard was not good—the co-design is not working. Are you planning to change how you approach your engagement with stakeholders?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Finlay Carson

I am conscious that we are going round and round, so I am going to bring in members now. Emma Harper, Tim Eagle, Ariane Burgess and Evelyn Tweed have indicated that they want to speak.