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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 23 August 2025
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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 June 2022

Finlay Carson

The Scottish Government has said that it will publish guidance. On the back of Jim Fairlie’s question, I note that that will be critical to how the licensing system works. Have you been involved in putting that guidance together? If not, will you be involved? Do you have any idea when the guidance notes will be published before the bill becomes an act? Do you know whether the guidance will be consulted on?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Finlay Carson

Our second item of business this morning is consideration of the draft Plant Health (Fees) (Miscellaneous Amendment) (Scotland) Regulations 2022 and the consent notification for the Official Controls (Plant Health) (Frequency of Checks) Regulations 2022. I welcome to the meeting the Minister for Green Skills, Circular Economy and Biodiversity and Scottish Government officials Rachel Coutts and Caspian Richards. I invite the minister to make some opening remarks.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Finlay Carson

Thank you. We have a number of questions. According to the notification, the new approach is based on the EU principles for risk-targeted inspections. Why does the Scottish Government feel that a new approach is required, and what are the deficiencies of the existing approach?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Finlay Carson

There will be a brief supplementary question from Rachael Hamilton before we move to questions from Beatrice Wishart.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Finlay Carson

Sadly, we are now coming to the point in the meeting when I have to ask members to keep their supplementary questions very short and direct them to a specific witness.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Finlay Carson

What are the deficiencies in the current scheme that require you to bring in a new approach?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Finlay Carson

I will touch on a point about the limit on the number of dogs. Last week, the committee heard that, when people use a pack of dogs on foot, between 90 and 95 per cent of the foxes are shot. There is a massive difference between that and the figure of between 20 and 40 per cent. The only difference is whether people are on motorbikes or horses.

The issue is supposed to be exceptions to the rule. I have not heard of an example—not one—in which two dogs is the most appropriate number for controlling or flushing. That suggests that, any time at all, when someone wants to use dogs for flushing, they will have to apply for a licence. That will not be an exception; that will be the rule. That suggests that two dogs is an arbitrary limit that has no scientific basis whatsoever; it is a limit that will prevent the use of packs.

It is more about the League Against Cruel Sports than it is about a league against cruel pest control. We have heard, again and again, that this is not about more effective and less cruel pest control, but about preventing people who are mounted on horseback from hunting with packs. We need to get back to what the bill is all about, which is animal welfare. I cannot understand why the rule would be for two dogs when there is no evidence to suggest that that is the best way to flush foxes to guns.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Finlay Carson

No—he said that it does not happen. Unless I misunderstood him, he suggested that there is no evidence that anyone is using two dogs to flush foxes to guns. Perhaps he could clarify that, if I have misunderstood.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Finlay Carson

Can we have a question, please?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Finlay Carson

But the fee is per consignment—it is not an overall fee. Why would the cost per consignment be less?