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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 August 2025
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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 16 November 2022

Finlay Carson

There would be no intention for a dog to chase a rabbit, hare or pheasant; it is all about flushing. The purpose of a rough shoot is to shoot and not to have the dogs play any part other than flushing.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 16 November 2022

Finlay Carson

Following the session with the bill team and consideration of the written submissions, do members wish to take further evidence from stakeholders to explore some of the issues that have been raised through our additional call for views?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 16 November 2022

Finlay Carson

Mr Dignon, you have suggested that you understand exactly what rough shooting is, and that we understand exactly what hunting with packs is. You have said that there was no intention to ban rough shooting, so why not have an exemption for rough shooting? If it is so clearly defined and everything will be okay once the bill is in place, because people make assumptions, why not just exempt rough shooting from the bill?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 16 November 2022

Finlay Carson

Surely, the reason we are here is that what is in the bill at the moment and the subsequent additional information or guidance that the minister provided creates loopholes. If rough shooting is so clearly defined in your head and everybody knows what it is and what a pack of dogs working would look like, why not just exempt rough shooting? Why would that create a loophole?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 16 November 2022

Finlay Carson

Do you have any evidence to suggest that, in the past, someone with three or four dogs has broken the current regulation and used rough shooting as a reason?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 16 November 2022

Finlay Carson

Yes. That seems to be in direct contrast with what the minister said at stage 1. She said that it is about people being in charge of only two dogs and that it is not about the number of shooters. We will maybe come back to that, under enforcement.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 16 November 2022

Finlay Carson

We will move on. The minister said:

“the two dog limit does not necessarily mean that not more than two dogs can be present at a rough shoot.”

We understand that. However, the minister went on to state that the bill would apply to each individual person using dogs to hunt quarry as part of a rough shoot in which wild mammals or rabbits were shot. Does that apply to shooters or those who are in control of and own the dogs that are flushing? Who are the hunters? Does the term “hunter” apply only to the person who shoots the wild mammal, or does it apply to those who are in control of the dogs?

That is what makes the bill completely unclear. The difficulty is that that information is not in the bill—it would need to come forward as guidance. If the guidance is based on what we have heard this morning, it will be incredibly confusing.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 16 November 2022

Finlay Carson

We will move on to enforcement and loopholes.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 16 November 2022

Finlay Carson

Okay.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

United Kingdom Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 16 November 2022

Finlay Carson

Our next item of business is consideration of a consent notification relating to a UK statutory instrument. As members have no comments on the notification, are we content to agree with the Scottish Government’s decision to consent to the provisions that are set out in the notification being included in UK rather than Scottish subordinate legislation?

Members indicated agreement.