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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 31 October 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Thank you. We will move on to part 2 of the bill, which covers EIA legislation and the habitats regulations.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Before you come in, Dr Leys, I have a question for Brendan Callaghan, who has given us a very technical response—which I must admit went right over my head. It appears to be a massive sledgehammer to crack a tiny nut. You have come up with one example. This is a huge, overarching power and it is still not clear why it is needed to resolve the issue that you described. You have also talked about things that might happen, but I do not think that, as a committee, we find it very easy to pass just-in-case legislation, particularly when that overarching power will be hugely extended. Is it proportionate to take such a power to address that one issue?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Just on that example, is NatureScot currently utilising the ability to add missing features? On our recent visit to the Cairngorms, we saw birch and willow in some areas of open space. Does NatureScot not have the ability to add missing features without having to be provided with any extensive extra powers?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Would anyone else like to come in? Everybody is looking at the desk in front of them.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Finlay Carson

The implication is that that is not implicit and that it needs to be—if I am reading between the lines correctly.

We will move on to part 3, on national parks.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Finlay Carson

I will use my convener’s privilege and sneak one in at the end. This question is for Brendan Callaghan. How does Scottish Forestry—I know that you cannot speak for the whole commercial forestry sector—see the national park plans? We have heard that you plant trees on a 30-to-50-year cycle, and you have to work to the UK forestry standard, which is reviewed regularly. How will everything fit together if you are looking to plant in a national park and you have to deliver the national park plan’s objectives? How will that work in practice? Will it put you off planting? Will it potentially disincentivise commercial forestry companies that are looking to invest if they have to follow the plans rather than just have regard to them?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Thank you very much for your time this morning. I know that we started a bit later, but we also took a little bit more of your time than expected. We very much appreciate your contributions.

I will now suspend the meeting for a short comfort break and to allow a changeover of witnesses.

12:14 Meeting suspended.  

12:19 On resuming—  

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Do you have concerns that your existing role as an environmental watchdog might take second place if you become an independent review body? Will you need more resources, financially and manpower-wise, to be able to carry out those functions efficiently?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Finlay Carson

I call Elena Whitham.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Finlay Carson

I want to cover some of the topics that we have just heard about. First, a lot of stakeholders have told us that they see no reason for part 2. They are concerned that it gives the Government broad, sweeping powers that they do not feel are necessary, and they feel that a lot of existing provisions already give the flexibility that the Government is seeking. They were also concerned about the bill’s not including a non-regression provision and that, as we have heard, the overriding objectives have not been clearly defined.

Are you confident that the principles that you have set out in your submission about maintaining

“a high level of environmental protection”

and

“ensuring Scotland keeps pace”

can be delivered within the bill as drafted, or do further amendments need to be made other than those relating to how secondary legislation might be dealt with by the Parliament?