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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 8 September 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 8 March 2023

Finlay Carson

You commented that the process is Government led, and you mentioned the disappointing delay. We heard from the farmer-led groups last week. Andrew Moir said:

“The arable sector is in grave danger of leaving the Scottish Government way behind ... We are at the top of the curve compared with the Scottish Government, which is down at the bottom. We are leaving the Scottish Government ... behind on the things that we are doing.”—[Official Report, Rural Affairs and Islands Committee, 1 March 2023; c 14.]

Do you play any part in that? Are you holding the Government to account? You co-chair with the Government, but are you raising concerns that the farmers rather than the Government appear to be leading the way and that, potentially, that will have an impact on the policies that you develop?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 8 March 2023

Finlay Carson

We will move to a slightly different topic, with questions from Karen Adam.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 8 March 2023

Finlay Carson

I will ask the last question. It is quite a difficult one, but you will be able to answer it quickly. It is specifically for the members of the ARIOB.

You all represent a sector of some sort, but those sectors already have lines of communication with the Government. It has been suggested that the ARIOB is just another layer, another way for the Government to stop making decisions and another talking shop. Folk will justify that by saying that the arable sector is forging ahead and not waiting for the ARIOB to advise the Government and the Government to act. Last week, Jim Walker talked about the suckler carbon efficiency programme, which was developed, funded and costed. There has been no progress on that, but it is now being adopted in Ireland.

Can you justify your position? Is the ARIOB not just a talking shop and the reason for the delay and slowness in the production of policy?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 8 March 2023

Finlay Carson

Before we bring the previous question to an end, I want to ask something. Martin Kennedy, we have talked about flexibility and adaptability, but we also need safeguards in the legislation. What do you want to see in the bill? Do you want safeguarded payments for tier 1 or tier 2 or some reassurance about conditionality going forward, to bring more certainty, rather than waiting for secondary legislation, of which, as we have heard, there is less scrutiny? What do you expect to see in the bill?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 8 March 2023

Finlay Carson

You have put that on record already.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 8 March 2023

Finlay Carson

The specific question is whether you are making compromises on behalf of farmers so that you can speak with a single voice.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 8 March 2023

Finlay Carson

Tim, you wanted to add a comment.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 8 March 2023

Finlay Carson

I will bring in Tim Bailey before moving to questions from Ariane Burgess.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 8 March 2023

Finlay Carson

Rachael Hamilton, is your question a supplementary one about Vicki Swales’s response?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 8 March 2023

Finlay Carson

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the seventh meeting in 2023 of the Rural Affairs and Islands Committee. I remind members who are using electronic devices to switch them to silent, please.

Our first item of business is pre-legislative scrutiny of Scotland’s future agriculture policy. Today’s evidence session is with members of the agriculture reform implementation oversight board and its agriculture policy development group. I welcome Martin Kennedy, Tim Bailey, Anne Rae MacDonald and Kate Rowell, who are members of the ARIOB, and Vicki Swales, who is a member of the ARIOB agriculture policy development group.

We have approximately 90 minutes for questions and discussion, so we will finish at approximately 10:30.

I will kick off the questions. What is the ARIOB’s core purpose? How is it supporting policy reform? Can you also give an indication of the board’s current work programme?