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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 31 October 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Finlay Carson

We have also heard that the keeping pace powers cover most of the concerns that you raised in your first response to Rhoda Grant. Is that not the case? Do you want to consider that, along with Rhoda’s question?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Okay.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Finlay Carson

We move on to questions from Mark Ruskell.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Finlay Carson

That probably takes us on to another question from Mark Ruskell on the current scope of powers in regard to net zero.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Okay. Thank you.

I asked Brendan Callaghan about the wide provisions in part 2 of the bill and whether they are a sledgehammer to crack a nut. All the witnesses we have heard from up to now would quite like part 2 to be removed altogether. They see no need for it. There are also concerns about there being no overarching environmental safeguards or limitations on how the power in part 2 might be used. Should there be a non-regression provision, or are the safeguards sufficient? If they are not, what would you like to see added? I ask Brendan to kick off, and then I will move on to Katherine Leys and Alex Flucker.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Finlay Carson

We might be operating under a Government of a certain colour now, but that might not be the case in a year’s time. Are the necessary safeguards in place to make sure we do not damage nature in the future? That is the angle that I am coming from.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Is there a risk that we could end up with an endless list, with the focus then on the things that were excluded from the list rather than those that were on it? You could argue that indigenous species or indigenous populations should be protected or that there should be a focus on sustainable economic regeneration or development. Those things are included in other bullet points but they are not specifically set out in the bill. I apologise to any planners who are watching, but we know what planners are like. Could having what appears to be a hierarchy of objectives lead to unintended outcomes? Katherine Leys, is that possible? I presume that the shrug of your shoulders suggests that that could be a possibility.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Katherine Leys, it might be one for you, given your experience of national parks and the role that you play.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Dumfries and Galloway, in particular, has one of the most intensive commercial forestry areas in the whole United Kingdom. Indeed, it is probably one of the biggest areas that Scottish Forestry manages, with extensive commercial woodlands. Are you concerned about the potential for the minister to designate Galloway as a national park? Would that cause you issues with your current plans for commercial forestry?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Finlay Carson

In that scenario, might you, as the environmental watchdog, have more work to do in ensuring that some of the situations that Elena Whitham referred to are covered and that you have the flexibility and the capacity to pick up and explore the issues and hold the Government to account in certain areas in a way that that does not happen at the moment? Is it important for the financial memorandum to appreciate that you have that role, too?