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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 8 February 2026
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Finlay Carson

Welcome back. We will now discuss the forestry aspect of the draft climate change plan with our next and final panel of non-governmental organisations and academics.

I welcome to the meeting Dr Mike Perks, principal scientist in climate change at Forest Research; Dr Ruth Mitchell, biodiversity and ecosystems group leader at the James Hutton Institute; and Alan McDonnell, from Trees for Life, who appears as the convener of Scottish Environment LINK’s woodland group. All of them are joining us remotely. Joining us in person is Dr Alessandro Gimona, who is a senior landscape scientist at the James Hutton Institute.

Before we start, I remind everyone that time is against us, so please try to make questions and answers succinct. You do not need to operate your microphones.

I will kick off on the woodland creation ambitions in the draft climate change plan. The ambitions are lower than those suggested in the Climate Change Committee’s advice. I would like you to explore the implications of that gap and whether the higher targets would be feasible. Given that gap, what will the trade-offs between the existing and higher targets mean in practice?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Finlay Carson

Does that gap exist because the Scottish Government has looked into it in greater detail and decided that it can achieve the same outcome on less hectarage, because it is not planting on mineral soils or whatever? Alternatively, is it being driven by budget and what the Government thinks is a more pragmatic target?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Finlay Carson

Alan McDonnell has indicated that he wants to come in. Alan, maybe you could give your view on how the Government has come up with a different figure to the CCC and how it could justify that.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Finlay Carson

I think that Peter Hutchinson would like to kick off on that.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Finlay Carson

I have a supplementary question on that. We are looking at the Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill, which is between stage 2 and stage 3. Will there be a conflict of some sort whereby one section of Government is looking at biodiversity and everything that is tied in with that bill, whereas another is focusing on how much peatland we restore? As politicians, we are always very good at saying—as I have done—that the Government has not met its targets. Will there be a conflict in ensuring that the outcomes from the Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill align with those from the climate change plan?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Finlay Carson

Chris Stark, the former chair of the Climate Change Committee, used to say that we had not made progress because there was a lack of pragmatism, realism and confidence among people that the targets could be met. From what I just heard, there needs to be confidence, certainty and clarity to allow investment.

The points are a bit like those that we will hear from forestry sector stakeholders later. If there was a risk register or risk assessment, one of the things raised would be a lack of confidence in getting a return on investment in the future, which has been a theme throughout. Hannah Wheatley touched on the need for an integrated funding system, but it appears unclear how it will look. When will we get the clarity and confidence to allow private sector investors to get involved?

We have heard about contractors who, in the past, were expected in some cases to invest multimillions in equipment although there was still a risk that the goalposts would be moved—were they on a register, were they approved and did they meet standards? How far away are we from their having the confidence to invest for the next 10, 15 or 20 years?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Finlay Carson

Thank you.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Finlay Carson

Ariane Burgess has a supplementary question.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Finlay Carson

Would you like to move on to your main question, Ariane?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Finlay Carson

Does Hanna Wheatley want to come in?