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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 September 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Finlay Carson

On-going?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Finlay Carson

What will happen to the Scottish budget in five years’ time, when the environmental land management scheme develops arms and legs or the agricultural budget south of the border is cut and more money is put into biodiversity and environmental schemes?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Finlay Carson

We will come back to funding at the end, but I have a question about it. At the moment, £620 million comes from the UK Government. It is a bit like the funding through the CAP in that it is ring fenced for agriculture. Going forward, given that the Scottish Government gets a block grant, are you saying that the agricultural payment should be separate from that? How would the amount be dictated? Would the UK Government decide how much money came to Scotland to deliver what are ultimately devolved priorities? How would it work in practice?

You do not want the funding to be linked to the Barnett formula, because agriculture south of the border is significantly different from agriculture up here. Are you expecting the Westminster Government to set a budget for something that is devolved—a budget that will be used to deliver on the Scottish Government’s priorities? I am not sure what you are asking for.

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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Finlay Carson

What is a cliff edge, though? Is it payment stopping or—

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Finlay Carson

Okay.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Finlay Carson

It will have to be very quick, because we have five other supplementaries on this.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Finlay Carson

We are fast running out of time and there are still quite a few questions to get through, so I ask members to keep their questions tight and Jonnie Hall to keep his responses as brief as he can.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Finlay Carson

I still do not understand what you are asking of Westminster. Is it to identify a sum of money?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Finlay Carson

That brings us to the end of a mammoth session. Thank you very much, Jonnie—we certainly got our money’s worth this morning. The session has answered a lot of questions but also leaves some questions that we need to ask when the bill comes forward.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Finlay Carson

How is that negotiation going to go? Are you going to go down to Westminster every year—or every five years, if we get multi-year payments—to explain the Scottish Government priorities to spend that money and ask for £700 million in the next year? I do not understand how we can work that out.

It is a bit like the block grant. Westminster decides how much to spend on the national health service, a Barnett formula consequential then comes into the Scottish block grant, and the Scottish Government has to decide whether to spend that on the NHS or on something else. What is the formula? Given that agricultural policy is devolved, how is it going to work when Westminster delivers a budget that we want to have ring fenced for agriculture?