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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 7 July 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Is the general feeling at the moment that the scope of the powers that a future Government could bring in via secondary legislation has no limit and that the bill should expressly provide for safeguards to limit those powers or to protect certain core elements of what we have now?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Welcome back. We will now look at part 2 of the bill, “Power to modify or restate environmental impact assessment legislation and habitats regulations”. We will kick off with a question from Rhoda Grant.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Good morning, and welcome to the 15th meeting in 2025 of the Rural Affairs and Islands Committee. Before we begin, please ensure that all electronic devices are switched to silent.

The first item on our agenda is consideration of the Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill at stage 1. At today’s meeting, we will take evidence on parts 1 and 2 of the bill from a panel of academics and experts in biodiversity policy. I will invite you all to introduce yourselves in a minute.

We have allocated approximately two hours for the discussion, and we have quite a few questions to get through. Given that we have quite a few participants, I ask everyone to be succinct in their questions and answers. There will be some questions for which a straight “Yes” or “No” will suffice. At other times, you might want to agree with someone who has already given the same view as yours. However, do not feel that you need to participate at any great length on each question. There is no expectation that you will speak on every point. If part of the discussion does not relate to your area of expertise, do not feel that you need to participate.

I remind you that you do not have to operate your microphone. We have a gentleman here who will do that for you.

We will kick off, and I ask Jamie Whittle to introduce himself.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Rob Brooker, you talked about LIDAR. I know that the Government made a big announcement about that initiative a few months ago, saying that it was coming in on the back of a demand for those surveys, although I do not know where the demand came from. Will the LIDAR initiative be practically possible? Will it return results that will help farming in terms of biodiversity? Is it realistic? What sort of timescales are we looking at?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Thank you, all—you are most welcome. We have received apologies from Professor James Harrison, who intended to be here this morning but, unfortunately, has not been able to join us.

I will kick off by looking at part 1 of the bill and the targets for improving biodiversity. We are all aware that we are in a nature crisis, but what is the need for and value of statutory targets? In the past, the Scottish Government has consistently failed to meet non-statutory biodiversity targets. Why will it be any different this time round?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

This question might be one for Jamie. Does the bill need to address the inadequacies, the lack of resourcing and whatever? Again, I want to go back to local authorities. Often, the energy consents unit will put on obligations or planning conditions to address issues that are raised in an EIA, but the obligation to monitor whether the mitigations, monitoring or whatever have been put in place fall back on the local authority, which does not have the resources to do that.

Whether it is testing water quality or counting to make sure that a number of crested newts have been relocated or whatever, do we need a provision in the bill to ensure that any statutory obligations or constraints that are put on planning can be monitored and mitigated by—in many cases—the local authority?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Should there be further requirements in the bill for the Government to consult with the wider scientific world and then for the Parliament to decide whether that consultation is adequate to deliver the aims of the bill?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

That brings us to the end of our session. Thank you all very much for your time. It is much appreciated. As often happens, the discussion has raised more questions than answers, but we appreciate your time and commitment.

11:57 Meeting continued in private until 12:24.  

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

That brings us to the end of the questions on part 1. I propose that we have a five-minute comfort break and resume just after 5 to 11.

10:52 Meeting suspended.  

10:59 On resuming—  

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Finlay Carson

We will certainly come to a question that focuses on that area.

On safeguards, the bill does not have a non-regression provision. Does that need to be included? Why has it not been included?