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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 29 January 2026
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Finlay Carson

So, you would be open to amendments that would increase the number of objectives.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Finlay Carson

On that, we have heard from many stakeholders that a little bit more certainty is needed. Given that the bill is a framework bill, the rural support plan could actually be the bill, because it will set the direction of travel for five years, 10 years or whatever.

One of the overriding calls was for the rural support plan to be available sooner rather than later. The Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee suggested that it should come before stage 3, and the majority of stakeholders suggested that it is needed before we start to develop secondary legislation.

I cannot find the quotation right now, but we heard in an earlier meeting that nine tenths of what will be in the rural support plan has already been developed through the two policies that the cabinet secretary has touched on. If nine tenths of it has been developed, why can we not have a commitment to have that rural support plan now rather than sometime in 2025, when the committee will have limited ability to scrutinise it?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Finlay Carson

We have also heard about the on-going concerns of the Finance and Public Administration Committee in relation to the increase in the use of framework bills. We know about that issue, which the Conveners Group has also discussed. There is also the point about the co-design process that takes place during and beyond the passage of primary legislation. What is your response to that?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Finlay Carson

When would you prefer it to come forward?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Finlay Carson

You do not need the powers to produce a draft rural support plan, do you?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Finlay Carson

The result of the division is: For 2, Against 7, Abstentions 0.

Amendment 19 disagreed to.

Amendment 84 moved—[Finlay Carson].

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Finlay Carson

The result of the division is: For 4, Against 5, Abstentions 0.

Amendment 84 disagreed to.

Amendment 20 moved—[Edward Mountain].

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Finlay Carson

The question is, that amendment 20 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members: No.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Finlay Carson

Amendment 85, in the name of Jim Fairlie, is grouped with amendments 85B, 85C, 86 and 87. I call Emma Harper to move amendment 85 and to speak to all amendments in the group.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 February 2024

Finlay Carson

There is a long list of additional suggestions of things to which regard should be had, including the good food nation plans, crofting law reform, common grazings, the biodiversity strategy, the river basin management plans, the rural development plan, the Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill and the proposed human rights bill. We have had a huge range of suggestions from stakeholders, and I presume that you will be open to suggestions about how section 3 could be amended to ensure that it covers their concerns.

I also want to touch on the importance of monitoring and evaluation of the rural support plan. We have heard that, in 10 years’ time, we could be asking ourselves whether the rural support plan delivered what it set out to do. Did it improve soil health, mitigate climate change, increase resilience and enable rural communities to thrive? Those are all suggestions that Professor Dave Reay made on what the rural support plan should do. How do we articulate that? How do we ensure that the bill provides for the monitoring and evaluation necessary to ensure that we are heading in the right direction and that we are not waiting until the end of the plan’s five-year period?