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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 13 September 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Finlay Carson

Thank you. I will bring in Christine Grahame.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Finlay Carson

Yes, but none of that information is in the bill—there is nothing about the liaison and so on. I will go back to my point: NatureScot does not have to be convinced that a crime is being committed for “the relevant authority” to suspend a licence. That is in the bill, which is a concern.

10:15  

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Finlay Carson

Specifically, if NatureScot did not agree that an offence had been committed, is it right that a licence could be suspended? Is it right that NatureScot does not have to agree?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Finlay Carson

But that is specifically a line in the bill.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Finlay Carson

Surely, NatureScot would agree with that. It says in the legislation that NatureScot does not have to be convinced that an offence has taken place. So, it can say, “We do not believe that an offence has taken place, but”—

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Finlay Carson

Just for absolute clarity, then, is it the case that, when the bill talks about official investigations, that includes the SSPCA?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Finlay Carson

My main point is that, with regard to official investigations, which are mentioned as one of the reasons for suspending a licence, any work relating to the SSPCA gathering evidence would, in effect, be defined as an “official investigation” under the bill.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Finlay Carson

Okay.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Finlay Carson

I beg your pardon.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Finlay Carson

I would like a little bit more clarification on this. Perhaps after the meeting, you could write to the committee to clarify exactly in which circumstances the SSPCA’s part of the work would come under the definition of “official investigation”. That would be helpful.

I suspend the meeting for five minutes for a comfort break. When we come back, we will address the topic of muirburn.

10:46 Meeting suspended.  

10:52 On resuming—