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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 8 February 2026
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 14 January 2026

Finlay Carson

In recent weeks, we heard about the resignation of members of the Royal Society for the Protection of Birds and Scottish Environmental LINK from the Agriculture Reform Implementation Oversight Board, which was the go-to body for helping to inform future policy. How confident are you that the Government has the right people in place to deliver at pace? Ultimately, the longer it takes to put policies in place, the further and harder the policies will hit. Has inaction over the past five years led to the decline in the reduction of emissions?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 14 January 2026

Finlay Carson

Would anyone else like to come in?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 14 January 2026

Finlay Carson

There is a supplementary from Ariane Burgess.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 14 January 2026

Finlay Carson

Nim, do you want to kick off?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 14 January 2026

Finlay Carson

Does that shine a spotlight on the failure of the likes of ARIOB? Does that show that co-development is actually just smoke and mirrors, because there is a necessity for the industry to work or to be seen to be working closely with Government?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 14 January 2026

Finlay Carson

You have touched on some interesting points. We need to recognise that meat production has a smaller environmental footprint, if you like, in Scotland than anywhere else, but I cannot get my head around people celebrating the fact that the Scottish Government is not bringing in policies to reduce cattle numbers. What I find disappointing is that the Government is not bringing in policies to maintain numbers, because, with the policies that we have at the moment, we are seeing reductions in livestock numbers. After all, we often hear about critical mass in this respect.

Someone on the next panel will almost definitely argue for a dramatic reduction in livestock numbers, but we are looking only at one side of the equation. We do not look at the hugely important socioeconomic benefit of cattle and sheep, particularly in the west and the north of Scotland, which cannot be underplayed, the sequestration elements or the fertiliser that livestock add. Should we not be looking at policies to maintain livestock numbers, given all the benefits that they bring not just for the climate and biodiversity, but socioeconomically? We should not really be celebrating the fact that the Government is not bringing in a policy to reduce cattle numbers.

Are we just playing the game that Emma Patterson Taylor talked about early on? We are trying not to create too much friction and look as though we are all getting on, but if we were being pragmatic, honest and transparent, we would be saying that we need policies that maintain livestock numbers.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 14 January 2026

Finlay Carson

I am going to bring in Emma Harper with a supplementary, and it will be the final question in this section.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 14 January 2026

Finlay Carson

We will have to write a report on the climate change plan as it is at the moment and, ultimately, vote on whether we adopt it. In the draft plan, is there any indication of whether support would be there for farmers to reduce their emissions from fertilisers? Is it realistic for that to be in there, or is it pie-in-the-sky, blue-sky thinking? That is the question—is it realistic to expect a reduction in fertiliser use? I will go back to Lorna Scott, because of what you said in your previous answer. Is it realistic? It is in the plan.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 14 January 2026

Finlay Carson

That brings us to the crux of the matter and a question that I want just a yes or a no answer to. The plans suggest that we will see an increase of 19 per cent in hedgerows and 2,600 hectares of agroforestry annually until 2045. Is that realistic?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 14 January 2026

Finlay Carson

And Nim? Please be brief.