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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 6 July 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Welcome back. We will now ask some questions on part 3 of the bill, which is on national parks.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Finlay Carson

I was going to bring in Evelyn Tweed to ask a question, but that response takes us to a question about how the targets would be reviewed and monitored, so I will jump to that. The bill provides for reporting every three years and a review of the targets every 10 years, but we are not sure what would happen if a target was missed. Does anyone have comments on the bill’s review and monitoring provisions?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Are you saying that you do not think that ESS is an appropriate body to do the review, given its current role as an environmental watchdog?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Finlay Carson

That question was certainly a good opener, as the responses have probably touched on every other question that we are about to drill down into. Therefore, please do not make any apologies for reiterating or restating what you have already said in what could be regarded as your opening statements.

We will now move to a question from Mark Ruskell.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Welcome back. Our second item of business is an evidence session on the draft Town and Country Planning (Marine Fish Farming) (Scotland) Amendment Order 2025. We are very pleased to be joined by a panel of five stakeholders to discuss the instrument.

We have Sean Black, senior scientific and policy officer for aquaculture, Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals; Elspeth Macdonald, chief executive, Scottish Fishermen’s Federation; Mike Spain, director of aquaculture, Crown Estate Scotland; Dr Iain Berrill, head of technical, Salmon Scotland; and—joining us remotely—Professor Paul Tett, reader in coastal ecosystems, Scottish Association for Marine Science. I thank you all for being here.

We had invited other stakeholders, but, unfortunately, they are unable to attend. It is disappointing that we do not have any representatives from our local authorities, because one of the major concerns is about their capacity to deal with this new legislation. However, we will carry on, and I hope that we will get some information from them before we have to make a decision on the instrument, in a couple of weeks.

We have allocated around an hour for the session, and we have a few questions to get through. Once again, I ask everybody to be as concise as possible with their questions and answers. I remind everyone that you do not need to operate your microphones—that will be done for you.

I will open with a very broad question, which I hope will set the scene. What are the possible risks and benefits of locating fish and shellfish farms beyond 3 nautical miles, and is the current evidence base and regulatory regime good enough to enable assessment of those risks and benefits of siting farms beyond 3 nautical miles before allowing developments to go ahead? Who would like to kick off?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Finlay Carson

You stated that we now have 20 years’ experience of the aims, so the bill is only updating them. Surely, at some point over those 20 years, we should have had an independent review of how national parks are performing.

Currently, we have annual reports, but they are produced by the national park boards. We have heard the argument that boards are, in effect, marking their own homework. Given that the 2000 act is more than 20 years old now and we are making amendments that are supposed to improve how national parks function, is it not time to have an independent review, to see what national parks are delivering, in order to have confidence in their aims?

10:45  

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Would you like to comment, Professor Tett?

I believe that there is a fire drill happening at the moment, so Professor Tett’s connection is muted. Would anybody in the committee room like to respond?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Before we move on to the next question, I note that, as part of its work on the salmon farming inquiry, the committee recommended that the Scottish Government commission research into the potential risks and benefits of moving fish farms further from the coast to more exposed waters. The Government did not respond favourably to that and, in effect, said that it was up to the Crown Estate, local authorities, SEPA, the marine directorate and other statutory consultees to do it. It agreed that there was an opportunity to use innovation sites to look at the impact, but it said that that would not be delivered until after a successor for the sustainable agriculture innovation centre funding had been set out. So, there might be an answer to some of the questions there.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Let us move on to part 2 of the bill, which sets out powers to modify or restate environmental impact assessment legislation and habitats regulations.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Before I ask Nick Hesford to respond, I will take a question from Tim Eagle, which will tie the issue together and might help Nick to form a response.