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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 27 October 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Finlay Carson

Thank you. You just rang a bell in my head. Why does the bill refer to the “prosperity of individuals”? That raised a few eyebrows among stakeholders. What is your definition of “prosperity of individuals”?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Finlay Carson

Following on from Mark Ruskell’s question, I have one on the period for which these plans are in place and how often they are reviewed. Do you think that there is the potential for conflict? Local authorities have an electoral cycle and there are national plans such as the United Kingdom forestry standard, but we have a forestry industry that needs to plan 25, 30 or 35 years in advance. How can you ensure that the national park plans are flexible enough to deal with that?

Commercial forestry might not be a huge consideration in Sitka spruce scenarios and in the Cairngorms, but when the Government considers other areas—for example, the Galloway and Ayrshire national park—how can we be sure that the national park plans recognise the electoral cycles of local authorities and national plans such as the UK forestry standard? How can the park plans interact with those to ensure that they are flexible enough that they do not put off or divert investment away from local authorities when it comes to election and budget-setting scenarios?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Finlay Carson

Thank you.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Galloway and Ayrshire National Park Proposal

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Finlay Carson

It appeared right from the outset that the timescales for the designation of the Galloway national park were going to be incredibly difficult to meet. The Galloway National Park Association had carried out the only work that had been done on the proposal and although that was very commendable, it was considered quite some time ago, before I became an MSP. It was clear quite early on that the Government’s consultation process was deeply flawed. Almost £350,000 was spent on that failed process. Should you not have considered halting the consultation earlier, given that it was so clear, even back in December and January at the turn of this year, that the process was ultimately doomed and would be very polarising?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Galloway and Ayrshire National Park Proposal

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Finlay Carson

Yes. Ultimately, the decision of the people in Galloway appeared to be based on the idea that national parks are not delivering and that they are actually curtailing the ability for areas to be economically sustainable. Again, the view was that national parks just exacerbate problems with the low-wage economy, low-skilled jobs, higher house prices and restrictions on agriculture. If that is not the case, why did that misinformation effectively succeed in persuading the majority of people in Galloway not to back a national park?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Finlay Carson

Good morning, and welcome to the 20th meeting of the Rural Affairs and Islands Committee in 2025. Before we begin, I ask everyone to ensure that electronic devices are switched to silent.

Our first item of business is consideration of whether to take item 4 in private. Do we agree to do so?

Members indicated agreement.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Finlay Carson

We have more or less come to the end of the questions on part 3 of the bill.

Additional amendments to part 3 may be lodged on the Galloway national park and the process for proposing and designating a new national park. At this stage, it is probably more appropriate to bring up those suggestions or concerns around the existing bill in our next evidence session, but it could also inform our discussions on our stage 1 report on the Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill. I just wanted to put that on the record.

We come to the end of the evidence session. I propose that we suspend for 10 minutes.

09:42 Meeting suspended.  

09:50 On resuming—  

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Galloway and Ayrshire National Park Proposal

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Finlay Carson

Certainly.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Galloway and Ayrshire National Park Proposal

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Finlay Carson

Sorry—to make it easy for me, as well as for you, I will just come back in.

Even if the report suggested that NatureScot acted in an unbiased way or as well as it could, from the outset there was a perception that NatureScot simply could not be unbiased. Ultimately, NatureScot promotes and has a huge role in the two existing national parks. Surely it would be more appropriate to choose a reporter with appropriate skills in conducting such inquiries or processes, through which they could set out their recommendations independently of NatureScot. That approach would have immediately taken away some of the suspicion that the process was, from the outset, going to be biased. The fact that the organisation that carried out the overview considered that NatureScot acted unbiasedly did not matter to the people who, from the start, thought that it was biased.

Would you consider having an independent reporter in the future, to remove that perceived bias?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Galloway and Ayrshire National Park Proposal

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Finlay Carson

Okay. Thank you.