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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 2 July 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Finlay Carson

Thank you. That is helpful.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Finlay Carson

I think that we had another question on—

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Finlay Carson

We have heard conflicting evidence about non-regression. In our first evidence session, we heard that current legislation would prevent regression without alignment with the EU. However, we heard SEPA witnesses say in evidence last week that they thought that there should be a non-regression clause and almost all the NGOs suggested that there was a need to include some provision on non-regression. There is certainly some uncertainty about whether the bill currently deals with that and whether there is legislation that would provide safeguards. Your response today sounds as though the bill would just give us more flexibility. There is uncertainty about whether there is already legislation that deals with non-regression and whether it is not addressed in the bill in order to give flexibility. That is not clear.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Finlay Carson

Could Quality Meat Scotland have a role in giving confidence relating to health? I am talking not about it marketing the product but about its having a role in ensuring confidence that deer that have been killed on a hill can safely go into the food supply chain.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Finlay Carson

I call Emma Harper.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Finlay Carson

Certainly.

I have a supplementary on the proposed power. In the evidence that we have heard up to now, the NGOs have almost without exception said that the power is like a sledgehammer to crack a nut and that the flexibility already exists.

The only organisations that appear to support the Government’s introduction of this overarching power are Government organisations and public bodies. Why is it the case that all the NGOs think that the power goes way too far and that there is a lack of safeguards? You have talked about safeguarding things for the future, but we need to think about which Governments might be in place in a few years’ time and ensure that safeguards are there. Why does the Government feel that the proposed power is required but nearly every organisation other than the public bodies thinks that they are not?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Finlay Carson

What role does the Government play in setting the agenda and scope of the advisory panels?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Finlay Carson

We absolutely need to bottom that out. I understand what you are saying—that not every single little thing should, or can, be done through primary legislation. However, given that there is no parent act for habitats regulations or EIA legislation in Scotland, because those things derive from EU policies, enacting a single power such as the Government is seeking to include in the bill could open the way to a whole range of substantive changes without adequate scrutiny. That is where the concerns come from.

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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Finlay Carson

I take the opportunity to say that I was delighted that Dumfries and Galloway Health Board was one of the first to adopt sustainable and climate-friendly food provision, which is an example of that approach working.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Finlay Carson

Thank you. It was remiss of me not to mention that we have been joined by Mercedes Villalba, who will ask some questions towards the end of the session. Welcome, Mercedes.

I also missed out Tim Eagle, who has a supplementary question on ensuring that public bodies contribute. Tim, I will bring you in now.