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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 1 July 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Finlay Carson

I have fond memories, of course. I remember talking then about the way that biodiversity data was collected, and I recall that, at that time, it was a bit ad hoc. It was collected on a website that had been developed by some Australian organisation. It will be fundamental that we collect the right biodiversity data to ensure that it supports the monitoring of targets and how we move forward. However, there is no cost associated with collecting that biodiversity data from associated organisations and from the community of organisations that will be tasked with collecting it. That is outwith the likes of ESS and the Scottish Government. How do you see those organisations being funded to ensure that we get the right data collected in order to support the effectiveness of targets?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Finlay Carson

Can that not just be done through guidance, though? It has been suggested that there could be more flexibility by improving the guidance, particularly in relation to adding or removing features or denotifying sites.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Finlay Carson

I am a bit confused. You said that a definition would not appear in the code of practice because that might lead to uncertainty, but then you went on to say that NatureScot would set it out in the code of practice. What exactly is the position—and, again, what is your definition of public interest? Given that you are the minister, it is not really about your personal view; it is about the Government’s view on what that public interest is.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Finlay Carson

Just to be clear, that context is in the explanatory notes and the definition will be in the code of practice.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Finlay Carson

Do you expect any other advice to come forward relating to targets between now and the end of the bill process?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Finlay Carson

A lot of data is collected at the moment and a lot of that comes from the private sector, including marine data from fishermen and data from members of Scottish Land & Estates who are looking at biodiversity from their perspective. There are some data standards, but the data is not all collected and published in the same way. I do not think that it is unreasonable to suggest that, in order for you to get the best value out of that data, some capacity will have to be created to bring it all together and ensure that it is all published in the same format. Baselining, whether that is of LiDAR data or data that is collected from private organisations, will be critical.

Will you reflect on the potential cost of that before we get to stage 2? We know that the data is there, but it will all have to be brought together to ensure that it is in an easily understood format.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Finlay Carson

Okay. Thank you.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Finlay Carson

The deer groups were concerned that, if, as you have suggested, the code of practice sets out what the public interest is, based on the public’s expectations, there would be a lack of resources to deliver that public interest.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Finlay Carson

Beatrice Wishart has a question.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Finlay Carson

I think that there is a concern that some rural communities, particularly in lowland Scotland, would be overlooked and that public expectations would favour centralised or conservation-led priorities rather than local livelihoods.