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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 July 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Rachael Hamilton

Thank you. I think that it was not fully answered. I am trying to establish whether the licensing scheme is too broad brush if traps are to be registered with a unique licence number and gamekeepers or others—a trap could also be used in an urban setting—had to do the training for all of the traps. Should the scheme be designed to recognise and accommodate the needs of operators? That is one question.

My second question is about the agreement on international humane trapping standards, which Libby Anderson mentioned. She mentioned the trapping of stoats in Orkney. We have been told that the standards are very high and that those traps are designed in the way that they are because of the high standards rather than because of the need for operator expertise. How can we use that as an example for a licensing scheme when the spring trap is designed to such high standards?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Rachael Hamilton

Does the panel have any views about whether having individual serial numbers that are related to the operator on each trap is proportionate?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Rachael Hamilton

I will try to keep my question brief. Professor Werritty, has the socioeconomic impact of grouse moor licensing been assessed adequately in this process, bearing in mind that there was no direct or indirect engagement with businesses as part of the business and regulatory impact assessment?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Rachael Hamilton

Another measure that could be looked at or a methodology for working out the size of the population could be the number of operators who have been called out to various institutions, such as hospitals and supermarkets, which has increased. I do not want to cause alarm among the public, but you have indicated that we have a growing problem with rodents. It would be good to get some understanding of how you have come to that conclusion.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Rachael Hamilton

How do you know? Does someone sit on the hill for that length of time?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Rachael Hamilton

So what you are asking for is what gamekeepers are currently doing, which is using Epicollect5 to monitor some of the activities that the operators are carrying out in terms of innovation technology and that sort of thing. I am sorry—I cannot work it out. I am very confused about how, without having evidence, you establish that operators are following bad practices.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Rachael Hamilton

I just understand this—

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Rachael Hamilton

You have made a number of points, Professor Reid, and I want you to clarify some of them. Are you saying that what the Scottish Government has done in shaping the bill is broader that what the Werritty review recommended in terms of the scope of triggering a licence for suspension or revocation? I would also like to explore what the Werritty review believed was the causal link between raptor persecution and grouse moors.

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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Rachael Hamilton

The point is that the bill that the Government has shaped covers a broader range of crimes.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Rachael Hamilton

My colleagues have asked about proportionality. Do you have any comment to make about that, given the recommendations that the Werritty review made?