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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 7 November 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Rachael Hamilton

Why?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Rachael Hamilton

Could you read them out?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Rachael Hamilton

I thought that it was interesting that some of the groups that supported the Government’s position were looking at it from a climate change perspective rather than from an animal welfare perspective. However, that is just my observation. In particular, some organisations, such as the National Trust for Scotland, Woodland Trust Scotland, Nature Foundation and Trees for Life, were not looking at it from an animal welfare perspective. I have to put my cards on the table and say that that is my concern around this SSI.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Rachael Hamilton

On the subject of animal welfare, minister, you have cited the NatureScot review. I spoke to the Scottish Gamekeepers Association, which cited a study by the Royal (Dick) school of veterinary studies—the Dick Vet. From that study the SGA concluded that

“Night shooting ... is a method proven under test conditions to be the least in the interest of animal welfare, which requires quick, humane dispatch”,

and for that reason the SGA opposes

“the normalisation of night shooting”.

As my colleague Edward Mountain has said, we need to look at this issue from a practitioner’s point of view. I do not know the opinion of FLS on this. Does it agree with the SGA? Why did you not get more information around the humane cull of deer from the Dick Vet?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Rachael Hamilton

Okay. I have a specific question that goes beyond that, which I will ask later. That was a supplementary question on the point about road traffic accidents.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Rachael Hamilton

Was that—

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Rachael Hamilton

Okay. Going back to basics, is it the male or female cull that reduces deer numbers?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Rachael Hamilton

FLS will not have to submit them at all, but even if it did, they would not be turned down, so what is the problem?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Rachael Hamilton

The minister has answered the questions, but it looks as though operators will need two types of equipment to do what the SSI requires. Investment in equipment will be required, and that money will need to come out of the budget. I have spoken to people who say that it will cost them, on average, £10,000 to get equipment that is up to standard. Hugh Dignon is shaking his head, but I have heard from stakeholders who say that.

The minister has said that changes will need to be made to best practice and to the fit and competent test for night shooting authorisations for the welfare of the operator. We are being expected to pass the SSI when we have no answer to those questions. It is just like what has happened with other pieces of legislation that have passed responsibility for codes of practice to NatureScot. Committee members are being expected to be mind readers and to know what will be in the fit and competent test so that the welfare of operators can be upheld.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Rachael Hamilton

I think that the figure you quoted was that 17 per cent of culled deer are culled at night.