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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 30 October 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Alternative Certification Model

Meeting date: 22 September 2021

Ross Greer

That sounds wearily like the exact same conversations that we were having this time last year.

I will move to a question on the moderation system. Seamus Searson, you listed the various levels of moderation that provisional grades had to go through before they were approved, and you spoke about the workload issue that that created. I am interested in the feedback that you have all had from your members about how much moderation changed grades from what a teacher might have initially been minded to give. Did that moderation process result in much in the way of grades changing, and was there a particular level at which that was most common? Did grades typically change on the basis of the conversations that were taking place at the faculty level within a school, or was it on the basis of conversations at a local authority level? Did the RIC-level moderation influence grade changes? Was there much change as a result of that process?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Alternative Certification Model

Meeting date: 22 September 2021

Ross Greer

Tara Lillis, what was your members’ experience of this? Did you get similar feedback, or was there a different experience?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Alternative Certification Model

Meeting date: 22 September 2021

Ross Greer

Is there time for me to ask another question, convener?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Alternative Certification Model

Meeting date: 22 September 2021

Ross Greer

I completely understand that there is a legitimacy to that question if it is suddenly the case that there are 20 straight As in a class where that has never previously been the case. However, the questioning of high grades is disproportionately more likely to have happened in a school in a more deprived area.

Have you done any assessments since last year to check how many quality assurance conversations you had with school leaders in your most deprived communities compared with the number that you had with school leaders in the least deprived communities? Have you checked whether there was a disproportionate amount of such quality assurance going on?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Alternative Certification Model

Meeting date: 22 September 2021

Ross Greer

Most local authorities that used historical data as part of the process used data from in the region of 2015 to 2019; they excluded data from 2020. What did your local authorities and RICs do? Did you include the 2020 data in the historical average?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Alternative Certification Model

Meeting date: 22 September 2021

Ross Greer

I accept that that is anecdotal feedback from your members, but were the areas where there was pressure to downgrade disproportionately schools and areas that historically had lower performance that is typically linked with lower socioeconomic status and deprivation?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Alternative Certification Model

Meeting date: 22 September 2021

Ross Greer

My final question is for Larry Flanagan, given that his union represents college lecturers.

The experience of college students and lecturers is a significantly underexplored aspect of the past two years, but I have had a college student get in touch with me recently to point out what they felt was the inequality of a system in which they were, in the end, graded on the same terms as any school pupil even though they had spent the entire year learning remotely. There were at least periods of time when school students were in school in a classroom, but that was not the experience of college students. How would you reflect on the communication that the SQA issued to both college lecturers and college students? What was their experience relative to that of teachers and pupils in schools?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Alternative Certification Model

Meeting date: 22 September 2021

Ross Greer

Tara Lillis, were you in a similar position of representing a union that was not on any of the relevant Government groups?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Performance Framework

Meeting date: 21 September 2021

Ross Greer

Given that both processes feed into the same framework, how do we prevent them becoming siloed?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Performance Framework

Meeting date: 21 September 2021

Ross Greer

Thank you. I am sure that we will want to revisit that issue.

My next question goes back to Michelle Thomson’s initial line of questioning about the top-line measurements of “improving”, “maintaining” and “worsening”. I accept completely that that is the top line of what is a very detailed process and that there is much more granular data at every level beneath that. However, I am concerned that it might be a touch too simplified even for a top line.

For example, the active travel measurement is classified as “improving”, although it is very far from hitting the targets that the Scottish Government has set: 4 per cent of journeys are now made by cycling, whereas the 2020 target was for 10 per cent. Is there a danger that the “improving” classification simplifies some of the measurements slightly too much, in that a whole range of them could be improving only glacially, and not be on a trajectory towards the targets that have been set?