Skip to main content
Loading…

Chamber and committees

Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

Filter your results Hide all filters

Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 23 December 2025
Select which types of business to include


Select level of detail in results

Displaying 1837 contributions

|

Meeting of the Commission

Audit Scotland Budget Proposal 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 December 2025

Jamie Greene

Indeed.

The total cost of the upgrade has not changed much since we last spoke about it. It is around £2.2 million. My primary concern is that you have not negotiated a price for the product, yet you are still quite confident about how much it will cost. How does that work?

Meeting of the Commission

Audit Scotland Budget Proposal 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 December 2025

Jamie Greene

Does that account for your legal and professional fees jumping by a third, year on year?

Meeting of the Commission

Audit Scotland Budget Proposal 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 December 2025

Jamie Greene

Oh, I see. So, just for clarification, it is already in the £15.8 million figure, not on top of it. If it is in that line, it will have appeared—

Meeting of the Commission

Audit Scotland Budget Proposal 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 December 2025

Jamie Greene

I am not suggesting that it had been—I just wanted to clarify where it sat.

My big issue with this is that I have yet to see a public body that has delivered a massive information technology infrastructure upgrade on time and on budget. If Audit Scotland cannot do it, nobody can, so I appreciate that there is a huge amount of pressure on you to deliver.

Of course, the figure is just the implementation cost—that is, the cost of getting the product live. What is really unclear is what the on-going costs might be down the line. I appreciate that that is not relevant to next year’s budget, because the project is not going live next year, but it will be a matter of concern to the commission in the future. What scale do you have in mind for that?

Meeting of the Commission

Audit Scotland Budget Proposal 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 December 2025

Jamie Greene

My final, and slightly different, question is about risk. The direction of travel for your modernisation project suggests that it will be very heavily reliant on the Microsoft cloud for data storage and access. People in the very Parliament that we are sitting in know what happens when that goes down—it can thwart day-to-day business to the point, almost, of thwarting democracy.

I have concerns about your moving to an entirely virtual model. I am looking for some reassurance that you are able to operate on a day-to-day basis in any scenario—and that is before you look at third-party involvement, such as the types of espionage in other public bodies that we already know about, or espionage that is actively taking place. I am not necessarily wondering how wonderful your security systems are, but we know that those systems can go down, which has an effect. It has happened to the Parliament, so it could happen to you.

11:00  

Meeting of the Commission

Audit Scotland Budget Proposal 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 December 2025

Jamie Greene

Good old-fashioned spreadsheets will be back out soon enough.

Meeting of the Commission

Audit Scotland Budget Proposal 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 December 2025

Jamie Greene

Good morning. I have a wide range of ground to cover, so I will get straight into it. I will start with budget-related questions.

I refer to the appendix on page 21 of your budget proposal, which essentially provides a three-year snapshot of your expenditure. I will pluck some numbers out of it. We tend to look at year-on-year comparisons for budget asks, but I think that it is helpful to look at the figures for 2024-25 versus what you are asking from us in the proposal for 2026-27. What struck me most was that your income seems to be quite stable. It is sitting at around £25.5 million each year—there is variance, but it is not a huge amount, and the amount that you are forecasting for next year is pretty similar to the 2024-25 figure.

Interestingly, the amount that you are paying to external companies—the amount that is going out the door—has gone down by around £1 million over the same period.

Your revenue is stable and the amount that you are paying to the six private firms that are doing a third of your work is coming down. However, you asked for around £10.5 million from the SCF in 2024-2025 and that figure has jumped to around £16 million for next year—that is a massive jump, which we have to justify. How do you justify it?

Meeting of the Commission

Audit Scotland Budget Proposal 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 December 2025

Jamie Greene

But you have also included it in the legal and professional fees line of the budget.

Meeting of the Commission

Audit Scotland Budget Proposal 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 December 2025

Jamie Greene

Why are you proposing a reduction in your training budget for the next financial year?

Meeting of the Commission

Audit Scotland Budget Proposal 2026-27

Meeting date: 11 December 2025

Jamie Greene

Okay—thank you. That is now on the record.

Returning to my question about the huge jump, I note that your people costs were £23.7 million in the financial year 2024-25 and that you are projecting them to be £26.7 million next year. That is a jump of £3 million. What I cannot quite work out is why your head count is reducing while your people costs are rocketing. I can only assume that there are two reasons for that—the absorption into the people costs of the NI increase of £500,000, which we helpfully funded last year, and the 3.8 per cent uplift. However, even with those factors, the figures do not quite add up to such a large increase. How can your people costs go up by so much while you are forecasting a reduced head count?