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Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 19 February 2025
Jamie Greene
Good morning.
I will start by reflecting on the most recent correspondence that the committee has had, which is a letter from Ms Berge to the convener of the committee on 14 February. Thank you for your St Valentine’s day letter—it was the only one I got. I want to focus on the content of it and to give you an opportunity to clarify what happened.
My understanding is that when the committee looked at appendix 4 of the business case for the settlement agreement for departure of the former chief executive, the original draft was, of course, famously heavily redacted for us, but there was a signature on the document. The accountable officer stated that the business case was appropriate and that it complied with the Scottish public finance manual guidance. It was signed by Roy Brannen on 4 March 2024. Your letter seems to allude to that being an error. How so?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 19 February 2025
Jamie Greene
I am sorry, I am not trying to be difficult; I am trying to get to the bottom of this. Someone has not been entirely truthful with the committee. Someone is not being entirely honest about what has happened: either the former chair of WICS, in his commentary to us about the approval process, or someone sitting in this room. I want to get to the bottom of it. I know that we have laboured this in the previous committee session, but it is important. Did someone from the Scottish Government give approval for the package? He says that that is what happened.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 19 February 2025
Jamie Greene
There was; it was part of the conversation. He said that there was a phone call on 19 December—
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 19 February 2025
Jamie Greene
Mr Brannen, does this whole line of questioning not strike you as concerning? We have heard conflicting views from all the protagonists involved and the committee is as yet unable to establish the truth of the matter about this business case. There is an opinion from the board, there is an opinion from the individual who has since written to us about his departure, and there is an opinion from the cabinet secretary, Ms Màiri McAllan, who, in letters to the committee, expressed a view about who was at fault. On two occasions, this committee has heard from members of the Scottish Government about what they think happened.
Our poor clerks have to write a report on this, and I think that they will struggle to identify the truth of the matter. What is your view?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 19 February 2025
Jamie Greene
The exit, for the record, cost the taxpayer £104,000. Is it normal for agencies that are sponsored by the Scottish Government to come to you after they have spent the money and ask, “Can you retrospectively approve this?”
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 19 February 2025
Jamie Greene
Is it malpractice?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 19 February 2025
Jamie Greene
What is your opinion as a director general? Is it good practice to allow somebody who is at the top of an organisation that has just been issued a section 22 report from Audit Scotland to be allowed to simply walk away from the process before a public audit hearing?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 19 February 2025
Jamie Greene
This question is aimed at whoever can best answer it. Did the former chair of WICS leave the organisation of his own accord or was he asked to leave and did he receive any financial settlement as a result of his departure?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 19 February 2025
Jamie Greene
Okay, so he resigned or he retired. What was the circumstance?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 19 February 2025
Jamie Greene
And that was accepted and hence the presence of Mr Hinds. Okay; that is understood.