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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 7 March 2026
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Jamie Greene

That brings me to my last area of questioning. As national and local government move forward with their ambitions to reduce emissions, improve people’s health and improve active travel, how do we ensure that that is not done at the expense of people who have no other choice? We all know that public transport is not universally accessible and that the service has been reducing in many areas, particularly in small towns, rural areas and island communities, where it is incredibly difficult to get around by public transport. I think that we have to accept that. There are a number of groups of people who will be directly affected by additional measures to reduce car usage, particularly the disabled, public sector workers, people who work in the night-time economy and small businesses—people who have no choice. Those people have very valid concerns about what has been happening over the past few years, and they might be concerned about what they have heard this morning about further measures that might be introduced. How do we alleviate those concerns? How do we say to them that we have to drive forward the net zero ambition but not at the expense of the economy or people’s personal lives?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Jamie Greene

I just want to check timings, convener. How long can I go on for? I have tonnes of questions, but I do not want to go over time.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Jamie Greene

Apologies for going on about this, but I do not want anyone to be confused. To be clear, you are saying that, of all Scotland’s emissions, 39 per cent are transport related and that, of the transport-related emissions, 39 per cent—coincidentally—are caused by domestic cars.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Jamie Greene

On the second part of my question, you have just clarified that 39 per cent of all emissions are transport related, but what percentage of that 39 per cent is caused by domestic, personal-use cars?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Jamie Greene

The future of roads. Okay. Fix the pot-holes—that is the future.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Jamie Greene

Everyone wants to know what progress has been made on the issue, whether the public money that has been invested in meeting the policy objective relates to the target, and whether the target is appropriate and necessary relative to the scale of the problem. That is what I am getting at in all of this.

Let us move on to the issue of how we deliver the reduction in mileage, or just usage in general, and the role that other forms of government, particularly local government, can play in that. Has there been any conflict in that regard? Earlier, I got a sense that there might have been some conflict in terms of the Government’s overall national ambition versus the delivery on the ground, much of which is under the control of councils, which have to use their budgets to deliver.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Jamie Greene

That is helpful. However, the crux of my question is that Glasgow and Edinburgh have already introduced low-emission zones—I appreciate that they were controversial, and I hope that they are serving their intended purpose—but other measures were afforded to local authorities in the 2019 act. Some of us sat around the table and progressed that legislation—or, indeed, opposed bits of it—so I know that things such as the workplace parking levy and the ability to create boundaries around towns for congestion or pay-as-you-go charges were not introduced. It seems to me that the only measures that local authorities want to be introduced are enhancement of the low-emission zones or another form of pay-as-you-go scheme. What has happened over the past six years that has prevented local authorities from doing that? Why are they going back to the Government and asking for more powers?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Jamie Greene

I have a wider question. Why are the councils that want more powers to implement more car reduction measures not using the measures that were afforded to them in the Transport (Scotland) Act 2019?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Jamie Greene

I will let you take a break from answering questions, cabinet secretary, as I know that you are finding it tough to speak because you are not well. I will direct my next questions to Transport Scotland.

While I am talking about the target, I want to pick up on some of the statistics, as data is obviously important. In her opening statement, the cabinet secretary talked about 2022 data. The first question is, why is there no data for 2023 or 2024? Is that in production? Also, did the cabinet secretary say that car use or domestic transport accounted for 39 per cent of all transport emissions, and was it cars or domestic transport that accounted for 12.4 per cent of all emissions? Colin Beattie picked up on that point earlier, and I want to be clear on what the numbers are.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Jamie Greene

That says to me that the bigger issue is other forms of transport, which are emitting more. What is being done to reduce those emissions?