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Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 10 September 2025
Jamie Greene
All of that is very diplomatic. What was your gut reaction to that figure, though? Give me some adjectives. How did you feel when you saw the numbers?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 10 September 2025
Jamie Greene
To be fair to the bank, if we look at its targets versus its actual investments, they are pretty bang on. The target for net zero is 50 per cent, and 50 per cent of its investments relate to net zero. The target for place is 25 per cent, and the investments in that are sitting at around 26 per cent. On innovation, the figure is around 23 per cent, so it is not far off.
Is it restrictive for the bank to have those predetermined percentages of investments in different types of portfolios by default? For example, does that inhibit its ability to invest more in housing, which I presume would sit in the place section, or to invest more in technology and innovation, which would sit in the other quartile?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 10 September 2025
Jamie Greene
You said that SNIB operates as a private bank, but it uses public money, so there are complications.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 10 September 2025
Jamie Greene
I am sorry—I am rattling through questions, because I have to leave at 11 am. I am perfectly comfortable with short responses, and not everyone needs to reply.
In the previous committee session, a new issue came up that has been reported in the media over the past few months. Scottish Investments Ltd, which is one of the entities under the bank, has secured phase 1 approval from the FCA to effectively become an investment vehicle to manage third-party capital in consolidating investments. I do not know whether that is something to be concerned about or excited about. Could you clarify?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 10 September 2025
Jamie Greene
Do you think that this is a bit of a distraction, given the scale of the losses that are being reported and the increase in annual losses?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 10 September 2025
Jamie Greene
That was not a criticism—it was just a question.
Last but not least, there has been a lot of discussion—rightfully so—in the media about the level of pay and bonuses in public bodies. I am sure that you have been following the debates that the Parliament and this committee have had on that very issue in recent weeks.
In 2023-24, £865,000 was paid in bonuses to SNIB staff. The outgoing chief executive’s package was £340,000 and the chief financial officer’s package was £240,000. Those amounts are way above normal public sector payments. We understand the reasons for that, but do you appreciate the public’s concern about the scale of bonuses that are being paid, while the bank is making losses?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 10 September 2025
Jamie Greene
That is very helpful. Just out of interest, did you personally have any exit interviews with any of the outgoing chief executives of the bank? They have had quite a high rate of turnover. Does that cause you, as the sponsor element of the Government, any concern, given what is happening in other public bodies and the turnover rates of chief executives?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 10 September 2025
Jamie Greene
Thank you for clarifying. I understand that the bank has not, to date, exercised its right to exit an investment in a profitable manner. Indeed, most exits have been forced on the bank due to losses or the administration of its investments. Are you comfortable that the bank has robust exit strategies?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 10 September 2025
Jamie Greene
Will it increase the risk to the public purse? If, for example, a publicly owned vehicle that takes money from external sources made an investment that went bust and led to considerable losses, what exposure would the public purse have to that?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 10 September 2025
Jamie Greene
In the real world, if I had a business unit that was losing millions of pounds, I would not be getting a bonus.