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Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 21 January 2026
Jamie Greene
The report was fairly critical, though, was it not? The Auditor General highlighted a number of key issues where progress was not being made, which is the point of a performance audit. Among other issues, he talked about governance and accountability, data, measuring and reporting, the resources that would be required, the governance frameworks and the clear lack of lines of accountability and oversight. It was a robust report, to say the least. The Auditor General is identifying that things are not going so well. You say that we are halfway through the delivery period for the Promise. It is not really a good sign, is it?
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 21 January 2026
Jamie Greene
We are grateful to you for coming to speak to us as we undertake our work on this important issue.
I will backtrack for a second just to get my head round where you believe that you fit into the equation, because—I will check the Official Report on this—I believe that you said that, as an independent adviser, it is your job to advise people, but it is up to them to deliver; you are in an advisory position, and other people need to pull their weight and do their bit for all of this to work. I understand that. However, on the other hand, you are the chair of The Promise Scotland, and the public would expect that to come with a level of accountability and responsibility for the overall delivery of the Promise. Is there a conflict? You said that you are simply there to advise people to get on with the job, when actually you are in charge of the job.
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 21 January 2026
Jamie Greene
It is interesting that you say that the three key tenets of your role as chair of The Promise Scotland are the strategy for the Promise, the delivery of the Promise and the relationships. Is that correct? Is that your understanding of it?
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 21 January 2026
Jamie Greene
Indeed. Mr Simpson has some questions.
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 21 January 2026
Jamie Greene
I have some supplementary questions in the short time that we have left.
While I am grateful for your responses thus far during this evidence session—and I cannot speak on behalf of the whole committee—I feel that there is a general sense of frustration that we do not seem to be getting to the bottom of the question of whose job it is to deliver the Promise.
Perhaps we just need to be a bit more frank with each other. If it is not your job as chair, if it is not the job of the chair of the Oversight Board and if it is not the job of a director general in some Scottish Government department, who is responsible for producing a plan, assigning people to deliver the plan and assigning the budget that is necessary for that plan to succeed?
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 21 January 2026
Jamie Greene
So you produced that document. I do not know what you are waving at me.
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 21 January 2026
Jamie Greene
It sounds to me that, while you can produce documents with advice, you can strategise and you can come up with ideas and tell people what they ought to be doing, ultimately, with the best will in the world, you cannot make them do anything. If they fail to deliver—in some areas, we clearly have evidence of failure to deliver what is necessary to make the Promise happen—that is outside your control. Do you feel that you are perhaps unfairly taking the flak for the lack of progress on the Promise?
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 21 January 2026
Jamie Greene
Unless there are any other questions from members, we will pause there. Thank you for coming in this morning to give evidence and add to our evidence gathering on the issue.
We will have a short suspension to allow for a change of witnesses as we move on to the next agenda item.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 14 January 2026
Jamie Greene
My point is that that occurred in the absence of an accountable officer or any senior leadership in HES.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 14 January 2026
Jamie Greene
If you are willing to do that, that would be helpful. Thank you, Auditor General.
On that note, I conclude the evidence-taking session. I thank Stephen Boyle, the Auditor General, and his accompanying officials—Lisa Duthie, audit director, and Carole Grant, audit director—for answering the committee’s questions on the section 22 report into HES so comprehensively. The committee will consider its next steps in due course.
I suspend the meeting until 11 o’clock to allow for a change of witnesses and a short comfort break.
10:53
Meeting suspended.
11:00
On resuming—