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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 4 March 2026
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Jamie Greene

We are grateful to you for coming to speak to us as we undertake our work on this important issue.

I will backtrack for a second just to get my head round where you believe that you fit into the equation, because—I will check the Official Report on this—I believe that you said that, as an independent adviser, it is your job to advise people, but it is up to them to deliver; you are in an advisory position, and other people need to pull their weight and do their bit for all of this to work. I understand that. However, on the other hand, you are the chair of The Promise Scotland, and the public would expect that to come with a level of accountability and responsibility for the overall delivery of the Promise. Is there a conflict? You said that you are simply there to advise people to get on with the job, when actually you are in charge of the job.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Jamie Greene

It is interesting that you say that the three key tenets of your role as chair of The Promise Scotland are the strategy for the Promise, the delivery of the Promise and the relationships. Is that correct? Is that your understanding of it?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Jamie Greene

Indeed. Mr Simpson has some questions.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Jamie Greene

I have some supplementary questions in the short time that we have left.

While I am grateful for your responses thus far during this evidence session—and I cannot speak on behalf of the whole committee—I feel that there is a general sense of frustration that we do not seem to be getting to the bottom of the question of whose job it is to deliver the Promise.

Perhaps we just need to be a bit more frank with each other. If it is not your job as chair, if it is not the job of the chair of the Oversight Board and if it is not the job of a director general in some Scottish Government department, who is responsible for producing a plan, assigning people to deliver the plan and assigning the budget that is necessary for that plan to succeed?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Jamie Greene

So you produced that document. I do not know what you are waving at me.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Jamie Greene

It sounds to me that, while you can produce documents with advice, you can strategise and you can come up with ideas and tell people what they ought to be doing, ultimately, with the best will in the world, you cannot make them do anything. If they fail to deliver—in some areas, we clearly have evidence of failure to deliver what is necessary to make the Promise happen—that is outside your control. Do you feel that you are perhaps unfairly taking the flak for the lack of progress on the Promise?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Jamie Greene

Unless there are any other questions from members, we will pause there. Thank you for coming in this morning to give evidence and add to our evidence gathering on the issue.

We will have a short suspension to allow for a change of witnesses as we move on to the next agenda item.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of Historic Environment Scotland”

Meeting date: 14 January 2026

Jamie Greene

Agenda item 2 is consideration of the Auditor General for Scotland’s section 22 report into the 2024-25 audit of Historic Environment Scotland.

I welcome our witnesses. Stephen Boyle is the Auditor General for Scotland and Lisa Duthie and Carole Grant are both audit directors at Audit Scotland.

Before members get into their lines of questioning, I invite the Auditor General to make a short opening statement on his report.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of Historic Environment Scotland”

Meeting date: 14 January 2026

Jamie Greene

In your professional opinion, was the move from green to amber to red a result of a lack of action or response to issues that the sponsorship team flagged? Or was it perhaps a result of issues within the sponsorship division in relation to the way in which it oversees or governs the body? Or perhaps the blame lies in both lobbies.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of Historic Environment Scotland”

Meeting date: 14 January 2026

Jamie Greene

Just for the record, I can reassure committee members that agenda item 5, which we will take in private, will be looking at next steps on how we may garner more information from either Historic Environment Scotland or the Scottish Government and the opportunities that are open to us to do so. We will discuss those later in the meeting, in particular around some of the areas that Mr Simpson has asked Audit Scotland about. Obviously, we will let you know if there is anything of interest, Auditor General.

I now invite Joe FitzPatrick to ask some questions.