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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 31 December 2025
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Resource Spending Review

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Donald Cameron

I thank both of you and your officials very much indeed for your time this morning. We have had a very fruitful session that has been undertaken in the spirit of the cross-portfolio working that we have all been discussing.

At this point, I close the meeting.

Meeting closed at 11:26.  

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Resource Spending Review

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Donald Cameron

I will move on to a question that is directed at Audit Scotland and Ms Calder, but I would be interested in other views as well. The Accounts Commission’s 2021 overview of local government highlighted

“the value ... of partnership working and empowering communities to deliver services that meet ... local needs.”

How does community-based provision by local authorities and arm’s-length external organisations work alongside what is being done by national agencies and programmes that are doing the same thing?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Resource Spending Review

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Donald Cameron

The report of the Christie commission is 11 years old now, as you know. You spoke about trying to avoid silo working, which was of course one of the central tenets of the Christie commission. You will be well aware that another main tenet was preventing negative outcomes through preventative spend. What are your thoughts on progress 10 years on from Christie?

10:45  

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Resource Spending Review

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Donald Cameron

Thank you very much. I apologise for putting you all on the spot at the end there. That concludes our discussion. I thank Kirsty Cumming, Duncan Dornan and Carol Calder for their contributions. It was a helpful session.

We have finished a bit early, and the cabinet secretaries are not yet available, so we will move into private session until 10.25, and then we will come back into public session for our second panel.

09:58 Meeting continued in private.  

10:23 Meeting continued in public.  

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Resource Spending Review

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Donald Cameron

Item 3 is a further and final panel on the Scottish Government resource spending review. I am delighted to say that we are now joined in person by not one but two cabinet secretaries and by their officials, who are online. I welcome Angus Robertson, Cabinet Secretary for the Constitution, External Affairs and Culture, and Humza Yousaf, Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care. The Scottish Government officials joining us online are Penelope Cooper, director of culture, major events and Covid co-ordination; Erica Hawes, wellbeing team leader, wellbeing and prevention unit; and Rebecca Crook, finance business partner, health finance. I believe that both cabinet secretaries wish to make brief opening statements and I ask them to be as concise as possible. We will start with Humza Yousaf, please.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Resource Spending Review

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Donald Cameron

That is very helpful. Kirsty Cumming, do you have any observations on that?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Resource Spending Review

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Donald Cameron

I am normally well up for a big conceptual discussion like that, but I think that in the time available we will move on to Alasdair Allan.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Resource Spending Review

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Donald Cameron

After this evidence session, we will hear from the Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care, Humza Yousaf, and the Cabinet Secretary for the Constitution, External Affairs and Culture, who are appearing in a joint panel. If you had to give them a message in a sentence, what would that message be?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Resource Spending Review

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Donald Cameron

I will finish with a question that returns to the issue of funding. There has been a lot of interest in a cross-portfolio approach to funding cultural services, with particular investment linked to health and wellbeing. Some examples have been given to the committee. One is about providing a level of core funding to cultural organisations from budgets that are outside the culture portfolio. Another is about a project funding approach, which could allow organisations to build capacity for things such as social prescribing. Do you support that kind of innovative approach to funding?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Resource Spending Review

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Donald Cameron

I bring in Angus Robertson.