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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 20 October 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Liam Kerr

Councillor Robertson, Russell McCutcheon just brought up the point about infrastructure at ports. The committee has heard thoughts on the current ownership and operation of our ports and harbours. Do you have a view on who is best placed to own and operate the ports and harbours that are used by CalMac, especially given the thoughts in your submission around designing ferries to be compatible with harbours?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Liam Kerr

Minister, forgive me. You talked about labelling, for example. My understanding is that there is still some ambiguity over what labels might have to look like. My question, therefore, is this: is it not better to deal with things such as those ambiguities, rather than address the fines that will be levied when you have not even done the up-front basics of sorting out ambiguities such as labelling?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Liam Kerr

Minister, you mentioned labelling. I am simply pointing out that there are ambiguities about the scheme, yet you are giving time to dealing with enforcement and fines. Are you going to respond to that point, or shall I move on to another question?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Liam Kerr

Thank you.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Liam Kerr

I find myself pretty uncomfortable with the idea that we might put this forward to Parliament for approval today. I have heard this morning that we seem to have a DRS—I am talking about the order specifically—that has, for whatever reason, been beset with challenges, yet here we are dealing with what happens in a breach before working out the details of the scheme. I am troubled that—I think that I heard this earlier—the minister does not know what specifically the civil penalty attaches to, has not projected how many will be caught by the measure, has not projected how much might be raised by it and, so, does not know the impact of the scheme. I appreciate that this is subject to clarification, but I think that the fines will go to the Scottish Government pot rather than specifically to help improve and amend the scheme to make it better. For all those reasons, I will struggle, subject to the rest of the debate, to vote for the approval of the SSI.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Liam Kerr

Thank you for that very useful answer. I will stay with you, Moraig, if I may. You just said that you do not see much wrong with how the service is being delivered, yet you talked earlier about the capacity for cars, the cabins and the cost. Do you take a view on whether you would like, and whether it would be practical for, NorthLink to provide an Aberdeen to Lerwick service that was separate to the Aberdeen to Kirkwall service? Would that be desirable? If so, although that presumably could address the cabins and the capacity issue, it would have a negative effect on the cost issue. What is your view?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Liam Kerr

That is a very interesting answer. Russell McCutcheon, do you have anything to add to that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Liam Kerr

This is the final question from me at this stage, convener. The SSI—the order—amends the substantive DRS regulations. I can find nothing in the order about what the penalty will be. In the substantive DRS regulations, the penalty is expressed as being a penalty

“not exceeding the statutory maximum”,

but it does not go on to particularise that statutory maximum. Can you help the committee to understand what the penalty is that cannot be exceeded?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Liam Kerr

I understand. Thank you.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Liam Kerr

Forgive me, Charles. First of all, minister, did you just say, “I don’t know”, when I asked you what happens to the fines, just to be clear?