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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 5 May 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Regulation

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Liam Kerr

Forgive me for interrupting. My question might not have translated well. I asked specifically about the 10 per cent of sewage overflows that are monitored, which is markedly less than the proportion being monitored in England. Why is there that disparity? Why are we monitoring only 10 per cent of overflows? Is it your view that we should be monitoring many more?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Regulation

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Liam Kerr

I have a brief supplementary question for Jo Green. Natalie Don asked an important question on the subject, but I am not sure that I heard the answer.

Jo, you said that SEPA is comfortable with its capital allocation, but I note that the capital spending review cuts it by 53 per cent, which is around £3 million, and the overall budget allocation represents a real-terms cut of about 7.3 per cent. I put to you the question that I think Natalie Don was getting at: how will such a cut impact on SEPA’s ability to tackle the climate and biodiversity crises, or will it not do that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Regulation

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Liam Kerr

Good morning. I want to change the topic to water quality and sewage overflows. Jo Green, only 10 per cent of sewage overflows are monitored in Scotland, whereas 80 per cent are monitored in England. Why is there that disparity? Should that be changed?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Standards Scotland

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Liam Kerr

Good morning to the panel. ESS issued its air quality report towards the end of last month, as Neil Langhorn and Jim Martin mentioned. Your investigation found evidence of

“a continued failure in some areas of Scotland”

to meet legal limits for nitrogen dioxide, and

“weaknesses in ... current operational and governance arrangements”.

The report made six recommendations. Neil Langhorn mentioned that an improvement plan needs to be prepared. My understanding is that that is a requirement under the UK Withdrawal from the European Union (Continuity) (Scotland) Act 2021. To go back to Monica Lennon’s line of questioning, what actual power do you as an organisation have to enforce the recommendations and to demand from the Government timelines for compliance?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Standards Scotland

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Liam Kerr

So the improvement plan must come back to the Parliament. I have read the report’s key findings and, in my subjective view, they were pretty damning. For example, they suggest that the Scottish Government is not using powers that are available to it and that the overall governance frameworks are complex. Before the improvement plan is prepared—one can anticipate that that will take time—is there any requirement on the Scottish Government to respond to your report?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Regulation

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Liam Kerr

I will slightly rephrase my question. NatureScot called it a “serious pollution incident”. Does NatureScot think that we are getting sewage overflows right in Scotland? Given that the evidence shows that there has been a 70 per cent increase in overflows in the past five years, does NatureScot not have serious concerns about that?

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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Regulation

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Liam Kerr

Some might suggest that the lack of information is due to the fact that only 10 per cent of the overflows are monitored, but the committee will no doubt discuss that.

Mark Roberts, ESS has set out several priorities and has carried out eight baseline evidence reviews. Do those baseline evidence reviews incorporate your priorities of

“Progress on climate change adaptation, including planning for extreme weather events”

and/or the assessment of

“Sewage discharge into the aquatic environment”?

If not, when do you anticipate having those baselines?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Regulation

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Liam Kerr

If only 10 per cent of overflows are monitored, and given that overflows have increased by 70 per cent since 2017, to about 563,000 hours, does that suggest that the problem of sewage overflows is actually far worse than the data currently suggests?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Regulation

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Liam Kerr

I will stick to the same topic in my question to John Kerr. In October, The Courier reported that raw sewage had been pumped into Loch Leven. At the time, NatureScot called that a “serious pollution incident”. The report asked the minister for a response, but she appears to have declined. A spokesman talked about historical investment and some general on-going investment. Given that incident, and the statistics that I just put to Jo Green, is it NatureScot’s view that the issue is not being taken seriously enough? Do you think that anything will change?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Standards Scotland

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Liam Kerr

Thank you.