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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 5 May 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Liam Kerr

Minister, you mentioned labelling. I am simply pointing out that there are ambiguities about the scheme, yet you are giving time to dealing with enforcement and fines. Are you going to respond to that point, or shall I move on to another question?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Liam Kerr

Thank you.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Liam Kerr

I find myself pretty uncomfortable with the idea that we might put this forward to Parliament for approval today. I have heard this morning that we seem to have a DRS—I am talking about the order specifically—that has, for whatever reason, been beset with challenges, yet here we are dealing with what happens in a breach before working out the details of the scheme. I am troubled that—I think that I heard this earlier—the minister does not know what specifically the civil penalty attaches to, has not projected how many will be caught by the measure, has not projected how much might be raised by it and, so, does not know the impact of the scheme. I appreciate that this is subject to clarification, but I think that the fines will go to the Scottish Government pot rather than specifically to help improve and amend the scheme to make it better. For all those reasons, I will struggle, subject to the rest of the debate, to vote for the approval of the SSI.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Liam Kerr

Thank you for that very useful answer. I will stay with you, Moraig, if I may. You just said that you do not see much wrong with how the service is being delivered, yet you talked earlier about the capacity for cars, the cabins and the cost. Do you take a view on whether you would like, and whether it would be practical for, NorthLink to provide an Aberdeen to Lerwick service that was separate to the Aberdeen to Kirkwall service? Would that be desirable? If so, although that presumably could address the cabins and the capacity issue, it would have a negative effect on the cost issue. What is your view?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Liam Kerr

That is a very interesting answer. Russell McCutcheon, do you have anything to add to that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Liam Kerr

Councillor Robertson, Russell McCutcheon just brought up the point about infrastructure at ports. The committee has heard thoughts on the current ownership and operation of our ports and harbours. Do you have a view on who is best placed to own and operate the ports and harbours that are used by CalMac, especially given the thoughts in your submission around designing ferries to be compatible with harbours?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Liam Kerr

I am grateful for that answer. I might come back to you in a moment on exactly that point.

Kirsty, we have heard Angus Duncan Campbell talk about weather resilience, and I note your comments at the beginning of this evidence session about the challenges that you would have faced had you attended in person today. The committee has heard suggestions that CalMac is becoming more reluctant to sail in adverse weather. Do you think that that is happening? In any event, does CalMac listen to representations from the community board about sailing in adverse conditions?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Liam Kerr

I am grateful.

Before I hand back to the convener, I have a final question for Angus Duncan Campbell. Angus, as you rightly brought this up, do you have anything to say on the weather resilience piece and whether CalMac is becoming more risk averse, particularly having heard the useful answer that Kirsty MacFarlane has just given?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Liam Kerr

Roy, I will cut you off there. It is very interesting, but there will be questions on staff later that my colleagues will pick up with you.

I have a final question, which is for Dr Baird. The 2012 ferries plan is due to be replaced by the islands connectivity plan, and ferries will be part of that. However, there is a separate draft long-term plan for vessels and ports, which has been given to key stakeholders for consultation. Do you have a view on whether it is optimal to consult on the two documents separately, and should it be done with only key stakeholders having access to one at this stage? Should the documents be separate at all?

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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Liam Kerr

I want to take up the second part of that answer with Roy Pedersen. Neil Kay talked about what might be a better model. Roy, in your opening remarks, you pointed out that CalMac was set up to be self-financing but suggested that, as it is being operated, it clearly is not. You suggested that there are other models that we might consider. What are the models that would be better for those services?