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Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 5 June 2024
Liam Kerr
I understand.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 5 June 2024
Liam Kerr
Good morning. Mark MacPherson, you have just heard David Belsey talking about sustainability. The Audit Scotland 2023 briefing paper on Scotland’s colleges said that the Scottish Government and the SFC urgently need to help colleges to “become sustainable now”. The following month, the Auditor General said:
“The viability of the college sector is challenged”—[Official Report, Public Audit Committee, 26 October 2023; c 4.]
and that a clear plan was needed.
We are now nine months on from that. Has Audit Scotland’s assessment of the situation changed? Is there any evidence of a plan from the Scottish Government or the SFC that will make colleges viable?
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 5 June 2024
Liam Kerr
I will reflect on that further, because I want to be clear. I appreciate what you said, and I will not press you for a figure. However, if the figure was £1 billion a decade ago, as per your submission, it might meaningfully be adjusted for inflation, at the very least, which might help the committee to arrive at an indicative figure from the Government.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 5 June 2024
Liam Kerr
I find that a very interesting point, which you have made several times.
You say that there is a consistent disparity between public funding and income. For completeness, when you talk about that being consistent, do you mean over a number of years?
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 5 June 2024
Liam Kerr
I will ask a brief question on that exact point. Perhaps Ellie Gomersall and Mary Senior may wish to answer. There was a cut of, let us say, 1,200 places, and I recall that the expectation at the time, around January, was that that would save about £5 million, but a £28.5 million shortfall for the sector was being projected. The suggestion at the time seemed to be that there could be further cuts to places coming down the track. Does either of you recognise that as a risk, and are you concerned about that?
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 5 June 2024
Liam Kerr
I will follow up with a similar question and you might again be unable to answer the second part, for obvious reasons. In your submission, you set out some data that you have alluded to throughout the meeting. You say that the Scottish system costs the public purse either five times as much or 500 per cent more than it does in England, but that Scottish institutions receive less income than those in England. In your submission, you say that they receive 23 per cent less income; earlier today, you said 27 per cent less income.
If we assume that the Scottish Government is cognisant of those figures, what steps would you expect it to take to address that, and are you seeing any evidence that those steps are being taken?
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 5 June 2024
Liam Kerr
I will stay on that theme, Dr Conlon. I wrote down some words that you said at the start. It might not be a precise quote, but I think that you said that there is a significant risk of a Scottish university shutting down. Later, you talked about the potential for an institution to fall over. Please help the committee to understand what leads you to say that. Is there any indication that the Scottish Government recognises that risk and is responding to it?
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 29 May 2024
Liam Kerr
I have a question on that exact point, which Andrew Sheridan is perhaps best placed to answer. Bill Kidd was asking about awareness, but will training be offered to help the public bodies under your remit to put into practice not only the principles of the approach but the ethos underlying it?
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 29 May 2024
Liam Kerr
I understand.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 29 May 2024
Liam Kerr
I return to Pam Duncan-Glancy’s line of questioning. In early 2023, you appeared before the Economy and Fair Work Committee and talked about a teacher upskilling programme. At the time, you talked about it launching shortly. For the avoidance of doubt, is that the same programme as STACS? In any event, what level of demand has been experienced? Is it having the impact that you wanted and, if not, given the statistics that you put out earlier, who needs to step up?
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