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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 8 May 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Liam Kerr

Sure.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Liam Kerr

I have one more question, convener. I am very grateful for that answer, incidentally.

Robert Sansom, people in the north-east were promised £200 million to invest in rail in 2016. The intention was to shave 20 minutes off journey times to the central belt, which would give better flexibility in the timetables, a better experience for the staff and a better experience for the passengers. I believe that just over 1 per cent of that has been spent and that, of course, the outcomes have not yet been delivered.

After one year of Scottish Government ownership, which does not appear to have had an impact on the spending of the £200 million, how are passengers feeling about the 20-minute saving not being delivered? Is that having an impact on the recovery of our railway? Do you get a sense that the money will be delivered and that 20 minutes will be shaved off journey times?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Liam Kerr

Joanne Maguire, how will ScotRail go about procuring new rail stock? Will that be done through rolling stock leasing companies or will ScotRail do it directly?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Liam Kerr

I will stick with Alex Hynes. On exactly that point, union colleagues were pretty clear that, although most journeys might be electrified, a significant part of the network is not and is running on 50-year-old high-speed trains. Earlier, the committee was told just how polluting those trains are, and we heard an example of that from Glasgow.

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Kevin Lindsay also raised significant concerns about safety on the HSTs. After the Carmont incident, the RAIB made significant points about the HSTs. I am sure that Mr Hynes heard Kevin Lindsay’s points about how crucial it is that they are replaced. What is being done to replace the high-speed trains? When will they be replaced?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Liam Kerr

I am interested in that line of questioning about the delivery of projects. Alex Hynes will have heard me ask earlier about the Scottish Government’s commitment in 2016 to investing £200 million to achieve a 20-minute reduction between Aberdeen and the central belt, and you will have also heard me say that, to the best of my knowledge, only just over 1 per cent of that money has actually been spent without our getting any deliverables with regard to that 20-minute reduction. It therefore does not sound as if that project is on time. Can you update the committee on whether that £200 million will be spent and when the 20-minute reduction will be delivered?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Liam Kerr

Thank you.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Liam Kerr

Good morning, panel. I will come to Mick Hogg first. The RMT submission highlights the need for considerable investment in Scottish rail and demands an increase in that investment, rightly flagging up the Carmont tragedy, which I will return to in a second. Given Robert Samson’s comments about ticket prices, should the investment come from the Scottish Government, now that it owns Scotland’s railway and, if so, from where should it draw that increase in funding?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Liam Kerr

Kevin Lindsay, perhaps you would like to take that point on the HSTs that run up to Aberdeen?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Liam Kerr

On a related point, how does Scottish Rail Holdings incentivise good performance by ScotRail, and equally, how does it penalise poor performance?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Liam Kerr

Thanks for that, but I am not sure that I heard an answer as to how you do or do not incentivise performance. When you say that you “encourage” better performance, does that mean that you sit in board meetings and say, “Come on, chaps—we must do better”?