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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 14 November 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Liam Kerr

Yes, of course.

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Liam Kerr

On the contrary. With respect, cabinet secretary, the problem is that the Government has done nothing, because this is not a new situation. As I said to Rona Mackay, this has been in train for so long that there have been previous early release programmes. Were I in Government, I would have immediately accelerated. I would not have allowed the cost overruns and the time overruns on HMP Glasgow and HMP Highland to go ahead. For example, one of the other things—

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Liam Kerr

Thank you, cabinet secretary, for taking part in this morning’s evidence session. I will oppose the draft SSI, and I believe that the committee should vote against the motion.

I will set out my reasons for taking that position. It is clear that Victim Support Scotland is right in saying that the measure is no solution. We will be in this situation next April, following the release of a further 1,000 prisoners. The knee-jerk response has now become the default response, and I can see no real progress since the previous early releases to prevent that repeatedly happening.

I note that the cabinet secretary did not expressly rule out long-term prisoner release. Her comments were helpful but she did not rule it out. The argument around a knee-jerk release of short-term prisoners becoming the default response, without ruling out long-term prisoners, suggests that the measure could be the thin end of the wedge. I do not see enough evidence of other options being considered.

I noted the remarks made the other day, when the SPS said that a new prison the size of HMP Grampian or HMP Shotts is required to relieve the overcrowding, but the cabinet secretary suggested that there will not be any further new builds because, to use her words, if we build it, they will come. With respect, I do not find that to be a coherent argument, given that, for example, His Majesty’s Inspectorate of Prisons for Scotland suggests that early release does not

“address any of the root causes”

of the problems. It is not the building of prisons that raises or lowers the prison population; it is other issues in the justice system.

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Liam Kerr

Forgive me for interrupting, but I am conscious that I am monopolising the floor here. Given the context that you have set out, what happens if the bill criminalises the buyer?

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Liam Kerr

Dr Sandy, I think that you would take a similar view of the Nordic model. Do you have any evidence to add to that from Dr Vuolajärvi?

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Liam Kerr

What is your evidence?

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Liam Kerr

Dr Sandy, forgive me for interrupting, but the question that I need evidence on is less about decriminalisation and specifically about criminalisation of the buyer. What is the evidence on the impact there?

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Liam Kerr

I am very grateful. Ruth Breslin, you take a different view of the Nordic model—the criminalisation of the buyer. We have just heard evidence that tends to a view that criminalisation of the buyer will not achieve the ends of the bill. You would take a different view.

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Liam Kerr

It was all very helpful. I am very grateful to you all.

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Liam Kerr

Following on from the point that you have just made, my final question is about long-term prisoners. Yesterday in the chamber, members asked about long-term prisoners, and I was not entirely clear about the response, so I will put the question to you again. You have not ruled out the early release of long-term prisoners—although, for clarity, I understand that that is not being considered as part of the Early Release of Prisoners (Scotland) Regulations 2025. How likely is it that the early release of long-term prisoners will happen? Given the greater danger that, logically, that step would pose to the public and to victims, what enhanced victim notification are you considering were such a move to happen? What analysis is the Government doing of any greater public risk posed by such a move?