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Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 25 June 2025
Liam Kerr
Before he does, I note that your answer suggests that any issue with the existing scheme is due to a lack of knowledge and awareness of what is already there. If that is right, surely what is needed is not more legislation that arguably does a similar thing but better knowledge and awareness among people about what to do and where to go if they find themselves in a certain situation.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 25 June 2025
Liam Kerr
On that exact issue, Pauline McNeill has talked about implementation of good, well-meaning schemes. However, I think that we can all agree that the failure to implement the Caledonian scheme—which Rona Mackay asked about—is deeply regrettable. Pam Gosal mentioned earlier that the 2021 act cannot be implemented because it was poorly drafted.
Is there a risk, therefore, that bringing in further legislation in that context that layers on further safeguards and provisions—which are very important—would simply mean that we would have more schemes that, ultimately, would not be brought in fully? That could be more negative than not bringing the bill forward at all.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 25 June 2025
Liam Kerr
I am grateful.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 25 June 2025
Liam Kerr
Several highly experienced organisations, however, have responded to your consultation and suggested that, if a law such as the one that your bill proposes were to be brought in, it could compromise safety and even increase the risk of violence against those involved. How do you respond to that? Is there at least a possibility that similar legislation has driven practices underground—that prostitution has not decreased but has simply been driven underground where it is not so known about—which could explain the statistics that you have just adduced?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 25 June 2025
Liam Kerr
That data seems crucial to me. If the data exists—
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 25 June 2025
Liam Kerr
I understand. Thank you.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 25 June 2025
Liam Kerr
Yes, that is interesting. As I said previously, the more data that you can send the committee, the better, if that is possible, although I note your remarks earlier about the support that you have.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 25 June 2025
Liam Kerr
Pam Gosal, on your point that the provisions in your bill would act as a deterrent, I note that you based the notification requirements on those in the Sexual Offences Act 2003. Some organisations, in their responses to the consultation, have said that there is no evidence that those requirements have had an impact on the behaviour of offenders, and thus your proposals would not reduce or prevent domestic abuse offending. How do you respond to that? Do you have evidence to show that your proposals would have such an impact?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 25 June 2025
Liam Kerr
Good morning. Ash Regan, I can entirely understand the premise of what your bill seeks to achieve, and I find myself sympathising with an awful lot of what you have said in your set-up.
According to your policy memorandum, your bill will
“reduce the amount of prostitution in Scotland”.
However, that begs a question. What evidence can you provide to the committee that your new offence and the repeal of the existing offence will reduce the number of people who are involved in prostitution?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 25 June 2025
Liam Kerr
Correlation is not causation. However, if you could supply data that shows France bringing in legislation and then having a decline in prostitution, that would be very helpful for the committee.