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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 29 November 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Liam Kerr

I have a final question on a similar topic. You spoke in your opening remarks about vulnerable individuals—those are my words rather than yours—and said that they are almost coerced into using and trafficking substances in prisons. Can you expand on that? What can or should be done to tackle that?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Liam Kerr

I understand.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Liam Kerr

I am very grateful. Jim Smith, do you have anything to add?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Liam Kerr

I understand. Gillian Walker, you might have heard the comments by the Prison Officers Association earlier about how vulnerable individuals might be coerced when they are in prison to participate in the use of or trafficking of substances in and around prisons. Do you recognise that? If so, can you describe for the committee how that looks and how it gets addressed?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Liam Kerr

Jim Smith wants to follow up on that.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Liam Kerr

Good morning to the panel. On the point about relationships, we all saw the reports yesterday about Scottish prisons being overcrowded and overcapacity, with 10 prisons at red risk status. Prisoner numbers are now higher than they were before the early release schemes. Phil Fairlie, in the “Breaking Point” survey of your members, when asked about the outcomes of rising prisoner numbers, 68 per cent of those surveyed said that there was more substance misuse as a result. Can you explain what impact the rise in prisoner numbers has had on substance misuse and the ability of your staff and inmates to manage supply, demand and the use of drugs?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Liam Kerr

I understand. The committee has heard lots of evidence about measures that have been taken to prevent drugs from getting into prisons. Are the equipment and the technology that you have available, such as the Rapiscan machines and x-ray scanners, adequate to prevent substances from getting into prisons, or do you need other measures to be taken?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Liam Kerr

I will address my first question to Jim Smith, but if anyone else wants to come in, they can just catch my eye. The Prison Officers Association told us that it was clear that overcrowding in Scottish prisons is key. Given that prisoner numbers are higher now than they were before all the early release schemes, I presume that that is even more of an issue. Can you explain what impact overcrowding, and rising numbers of prisoners specifically, will have on levels of misuse and on the ability of staff and inmates to address issues of supply, demand and use?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Liam Kerr

Does the overcrowding perhaps facilitate that and make the supply easier or, indeed, the demand greater? Does it also have an effect on their use of drugs?

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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Liam Kerr

Detective Chief Superintendent Higgins, you have heard Jim Smith and Gillian Walker mention drones. There are currently no-fly regulations around prisons in England and Wales, and the Prison Governors Association Scotland has called for similar legislation here. Do you take a view on whether that would be helpful and whether Scotland should go down that legislative route? If so, would that go some way towards addressing the issue?