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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 13 November 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Liam Kerr

I am grateful for that answer.

Dr Forbes, you say in your written submission that the Crown Office

“is concerned that police and prosecutors in Scotland will face similar evidential barriers to enforcing the proposed new offence”

to those faced in Northern Ireland and Ireland. You also talked about evidential issues in your opening remarks. Will you expand on what you mean by that? How would the Crown Office envisage prosecuting the offences that are set out in the bill?

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Liam Kerr

Just to clarify, I made my point about the single force because, in your submission, you said that borrowing powers were lost as a result of becoming a single force. That is an important point.

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Liam Kerr

I will direct my supplementary, which follows Sharon Dowey’s earlier line of questioning, to Detective Superintendent Bertram. You were asked about the cost to the police. On 1 October, the Daily Record reported—this is not a quote; it is just my summary—that Police Scotland had warned that it could not afford to enforce a crackdown on paying for sex if MSPs were to back criminalisation, and that the force had not budgeted for such a change. It said that the force estimated that the bill could cost more than £500,000 in the first three years of its implementation, including capital and opportunity costs. Do you recognise that as a fair reflection of the implications for Police Scotland if the legislation were to be passed?

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Liam Kerr

Thank you.

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Liam Kerr

I understand.

Chief constable, your written submission also talks about increased capital investment of £93.9 million that is required

“to deliver a basic rolling replacement programme of fleet, systems and policing equipment.”

What will be the implications if you do not get that £93.9 million? In particular, will body-worn camera roll-outs be delayed?

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Liam Kerr

I have one final question. You have been very candid and robust in your written submission and in your remarks. Last week, I read in The Sun that a senior police source has suggested that, if the police do not get the money that you say that you need and that you have asked for in the submission, you will not be able to do what you want to do and you would, therefore, consider your position. It is only fair that I give you the opportunity to respond to that report and say whether it is accurate. Regardless of the accuracy, how serious would it be for you personally, given how frank you have been, if you do not get the money that you say that you need?

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Liam Kerr

Chris Brown, you heard me earlier investigate the potential consequences for the police workforce if they do not receive the additional resource funding that they have requested. In your remarks to the convener earlier, you said that that would mean fewer personnel. What do you understand to be the implications that not receiving the full funding requested and a reduced workforce would have on policing in Scotland?

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Liam Kerr

I am very grateful to you all.

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Liam Kerr

The figures before us that project what is coming up in future will have been prepared over a considerable time. However, the Scottish Government is proposing to release up to 1,000 criminals early between now and April. Did the Scottish Government seek advice from the police, based on previous release programmes, on the costs that Police Scotland might incur as a result of any early release? In any event, do you take a view on the Scottish Police Federation’s recently launched “Assault the police? No early release” campaign?

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Liam Kerr

Good morning. My first question is to Liliana Torres Jiménez, and I remind colleagues that I am currently regulated by the Law Society of Scotland, of which I am a member.

Liliana, in your submission and opening remarks, you talked about your concerns about the definition of sexual acts and the proposed penalties. Could you expand on your concerns and tell us what needs to be amended to address them?

In your submission, you brought up the policy memorandum, which specifically says that the bill aims to

“reduce the amount of prostitution in Scotland”.

Will the bill, as drafted and/or amended, achieve that?