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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 23 March 2026
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Northern Ireland Troubles Bill

Meeting date: 18 March 2026

Liam Kerr

Presumably it will be in the next session.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Northern Ireland Troubles Bill

Meeting date: 18 March 2026

Liam Kerr

I just want to be clear on what I am agreeing to. Are we being asked to recommend, in writing, to our colleagues in full Parliament that the LCM be agreed to?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Northern Ireland Troubles Bill

Meeting date: 18 March 2026

Liam Kerr

Forgive me, convener, but I still do not understand. My position is that I do not feel able to say to my colleagues in full Parliament, “I think that this LCM should go through.” I think that we should take our time. As long as that is somehow clear, I will do whatever I need to.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Northern Ireland Troubles Bill

Meeting date: 18 March 2026

Liam Kerr

Yes, thank you.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Northern Ireland Troubles Bill

Meeting date: 18 March 2026

Liam Kerr

I am grateful. Have you had any direct meeting, or is there any correspondence that you can share, with the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland on either the substantive bill or the LCM?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Northern Ireland Troubles Bill

Meeting date: 18 March 2026

Liam Kerr

I am not sure whether this is a separate part of the proceedings, but I do not think that the committee should recommend to the Parliament that, at this stage, the provisions be consented to. I have two reasons for saying that, which are rooted in the questions that I put to the cabinet secretary. First, the cabinet secretary’s helpful letter of 13 March concedes that the bill’s substantive timetable remains uncertain, and, when I asked about the veterans commissioners, the cabinet secretary referred to something that is in paragraph 26 of the LCM, which says:

“the latest joint statement from the Veterans Commissioners welcomes an indication from UK Government Ministers that further planned engagements with Ministers … should result in changes to the legislation”.

So, something could well change.

The second reason why I do not think that the committee should recommend agreement to the Parliament at this stage is that, from what we have heard—I make no criticism of the cabinet secretary; this is an observation—we have not got full consultation. I do not know what the Scottish Veterans Commissioner or the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland think about it. I do not yet know what Police Scotland thinks about it. The cabinet secretary was helpful—she said that she might have something on that and that, if so, she would send it in—but I feel as though I am looking at the LCM in a vacuum. I do not have the information and I am being asked to make a recommendation to my colleagues in the Parliament. That concerns me, because I do not think that our Parliament in Holyrood should be giving a blank cheque to the UK Government.

We do not need to give consent now. As the cabinet secretary just said, the substantial question will be dealt with in the next session, by which time more details will have become available. I do not think that we should make that recommendation without knowing exactly what we are being asked about. Given that the issue will go into the next session, it seems that we—that is, our successor committee—will have time to get that information and make a fully informed and considered decision and, thus, recommendation to our Parliament.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Northern Ireland Troubles Bill

Meeting date: 18 March 2026

Liam Kerr

When do you think that the Parliament will be asked the substantial question?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Northern Ireland Troubles Bill

Meeting date: 18 March 2026

Liam Kerr

Good morning, cabinet secretary. The veterans commissioners for Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales have expressed concerns about veterans protections, lawfare and historical narrative revision. Given that—indeed, in any event—has the cabinet secretary sought the views of the Scottish Veterans Commissioner? If so, what is her view?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Northern Ireland Troubles Bill

Meeting date: 18 March 2026

Liam Kerr

I am grateful.

You will see a theme develop with my final question at this stage. I understand that the Scottish Government has had verbal engagement with Police Scotland about the bill, but there is currently no written record of that engagement. Have you met Police Scotland and discussed the bill? Is there any point at which we can see the written note of what Police Scotland’s view was in that verbal engagement?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Northern Ireland Troubles Bill

Meeting date: 18 March 2026

Liam Kerr

I have a quick question. What happens if the committee does not recommend consent to Parliament, and what happens if Parliament does not consent to the LCM? When do you anticipate that Parliament will be asked to give its consent to the LCM?