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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 14 October 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Rona Mackay

Thank you. That is really useful.

Criminal Justice Committee

Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Rona Mackay

Wendy Sinclair-Gieben, I have some questions for you. The number of women on remand is shockingly high—I do not need to tell you that—and the disruption to families that follows is evident. Why do you think that so many women are remanded for low-level offences? Why are they there in the first place? I do not know whether you heard the previous session, but we spoke to a solicitor who had dealt with a case where the person was directed to the 218 project in Glasgow, which is hugely successful. I put it to her that, if that happened more often, fewer women would be remanded. What is your view?

Criminal Justice Committee

Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Rona Mackay

David Mackie, what is your view on the removal of section 23D? Are women’s organisations and victims right to be concerned about that? I presume that you heard the earlier session, where it was unanimously agreed that it should be removed. I still cannot get my head around that, but maybe you can give me your view.

Criminal Justice Committee

Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Rona Mackay

Good morning. I have three questions—one for each of you. Professor Loucks, you mentioned your organisation’s excellent and very detailed report on the cost to families of imprisonment and release. We do not have time to delve into the report, obviously, but what is its key message?

Criminal Justice Committee

Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Rona Mackay

I understand what you are saying, but, if I take that back to perception and to a very simplistic level, that is not how victims of domestic abuse or women’s organisations will see it, because it still gives the impression that it will be easier for alleged perpetrators to get out on bail.

Criminal Justice Committee

Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Rona Mackay

So, individual risk would be taken into consideration just as much as public risk.

Criminal Justice Committee

Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Rona Mackay

I am conscious of the time, but I have one other question and, rather than ask everybody to respond, I will ask Joanne McMillan to do so.

It is currently estimated that, at any one time, 30 per cent of the female prison population in Scotland is on remand. To me, that is a huge number. Some 54 per cent of them lose their tenancies, 61 per cent have children, and there are huge knock-on effects for families.

Joanne McMillan talked about a case in which the woman went to the 218 project, which is very successful. In your opinion, why does that not happen more often? Is it because of a lack of resources?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Virtual Trials and Charges for Court Transcripts (Correspondence)

Meeting date: 11 January 2023

Rona Mackay

I broadly agree with what Jamie Greene has said. It is important that we know what the situation is with virtual trials and that we have the data. When was the last time that we asked the Scottish Courts and Tribunals Service for that information? I cannot remember.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Virtual Trials and Charges for Court Transcripts (Correspondence)

Meeting date: 11 January 2023

Rona Mackay

Earlier last year.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Virtual Trials and Charges for Court Transcripts (Correspondence)

Meeting date: 11 January 2023

Rona Mackay

I suggest that we contact the SCTS again and stress that it is really important that we know. The SCTS obviously knows, and we need to know, too.

On the court transcripts issue, I do not know when we last asked for that information. We have been referred back to the SCTS, and we need to press it on that. Presumably, it is not that the SCTS is not getting that data—that is being done; we simply do not have access to it.