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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 13 October 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Rona Mackay

Thank you. I have a fairly random question, but I will be interested to hear your responses. We are aware, and you will be aware, of the different model and culture of prisons in Scandinavia—for example, in Norway. I am not suggesting for a minute that things could change overnight here with our overcrowded prisons, but would you look to Scandinavia to pick up instances of good practice, albeit that they are in a different environment?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Rona Mackay

It seems as though radical transformational change would have to happen here for us to get to the conditions and culture that they have in some of those countries. That is not what we have now. We seem to have been operating in the same traditional way for a long time, albeit that staff are now trained differently. I hope that all that comes at some point, but it is not going to happen overnight, that is for sure.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Rona Mackay

I totally understand that. However, in the instance that I am thinking of, it seems like a punishment for substance use within the prison, rather than a punishment for bringing in drugs. That seems punitive, which is why I ask whether you are aware of its happening.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Rona Mackay

Would why someone was not allowed a visit be communicated properly to the family?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Rona Mackay

Can you say anything about whether the problem definitely affects older people or whether you have an alarming number of young people coming in? Does anything jump out?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Rona Mackay

Good morning. I have a couple of questions that follow on from those of my colleague Liam Kerr.

Phil Fairlie, you said that staff are able to spot vulnerable people. How easy is it for you to spot the protagonists or the key figures who are actually organising drug supply within the prison estate? When and if you do spot them, what kind of punishment do they get?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Rona Mackay

Is that a growing problem, or has it always been like that?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Rona Mackay

How long is the training period?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Rona Mackay

Just to clarify, your prison has a triage system that they can call at any time during the night if they are worried. For other prison estates, as you understand it, the duty officer has to make a judgment. What do they do? Are they able to administer any medical—

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Rona Mackay

Does that mean administering it as it is needed instead of leaving it with them?