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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 25 March 2026
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Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Rona Mackay

I will pick up on what has been said, and this is probably a question for Rhoda MacLeod and Leona Paget. In an evidence session last week, we heard that people with substance addiction issues could not access mental health care, which I found surprising. In its submission, Glasgow health and social care partnership said that that does not happen. Will you clear that up for us and talk about what the complexities are?

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Rona Mackay

Great—that is good.

With the crisis of drugs in prisons—I suppose that you could call it that—do prison staff have suitable training to deal with all the eventualities that occur, which might be medical, or even to deal with their own psychological issues due to what they have to deal with? Is the training up to it?

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Rona Mackay

In a gradual way.

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Rona Mackay

That is interesting. Thank you.

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Rona Mackay

Yes, briefly. I am interested in demographics. Are you able to give us a picture of the average age of offenders going into Polmont who are dealing with substance abuse or substance addiction? Is that different from the situation at Barlinnie? I am trying to get an impression of whether more young people are dealing with that or whether it generally affects middle-aged and older people.

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Rona Mackay

It depends on individual needs.

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Rona Mackay

But there is not a policy that says, “You have addiction issues, so you will not—”

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Rona Mackay

Thank you. I have a fairly random question, but I will be interested to hear your responses. We are aware, and you will be aware, of the different model and culture of prisons in Scandinavia—for example, in Norway. I am not suggesting for a minute that things could change overnight here with our overcrowded prisons, but would you look to Scandinavia to pick up instances of good practice, albeit that they are in a different environment?

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Rona Mackay

It seems as though radical transformational change would have to happen here for us to get to the conditions and culture that they have in some of those countries. That is not what we have now. We seem to have been operating in the same traditional way for a long time, albeit that staff are now trained differently. I hope that all that comes at some point, but it is not going to happen overnight, that is for sure.

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Rona Mackay

Can you say anything about whether the problem definitely affects older people or whether you have an alarming number of young people coming in? Does anything jump out?