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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 28 November 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Rona Mackay

It was on, I think. I was probably just leaning away from it.

You will also be aware that a substantial body of sex workers do not agree with your proposals. In fact, recently, there was a delegation outside the Parliament protesting about it. Obviously, there is a difference of views.

In addition, the internet is now used much more widely for the purchase of sex. Some sex workers say that your bill will make them less safe. At the moment, they can screen buyers on the internet. They differentiate between bad clients and good clients. They fear that, if your bill becomes law, they will be left with bad clients who are more likely to abuse them, because those clients do not care about the law and will break the law anyway. There is some fear among sex workers that the bill will make them less safe. I put their case to you for comment. It is not my opinion.

Criminal Justice Committee

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Rona Mackay

There is a huge difference between quashing and pardoning.

Criminal Justice Committee

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Rona Mackay

I understand what you are saying, and I agree that education is key, but I am still not clear whether teachers would be carrying it out.

Criminal Justice Committee

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Rona Mackay

Does that not confuse the picture a bit?

Criminal Justice Committee

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Rona Mackay

I want to ask you more about part 2 of the bill on rehabilitation, and about education and training. On the notifications side, the bill contains what would be a new offence of failing to comply with the notification provisions “without reasonable excuse”. What would a reasonable excuse be?

Criminal Justice Committee

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Rona Mackay

Is primary legislation needed for that? Could such a requirement not simply be brought in?

Criminal Justice Committee

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Rona Mackay

With the Horizon legislation that you mentioned, the quashing was done so that the complainants could have redress. Is that part of your reasoning for going down that route?

Criminal Justice Committee

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Rona Mackay

I have a tiny additional question. Maren Schroeder gave some cost figures. In the Horizon case, it worked out at about £4,000 per person. What do you estimate that the cost would be, per person, if you went down a different route?

Criminal Justice Committee

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Rona Mackay

Yes—it is just a small question on what Agata Maslowska said about the most serious sex offenders.

What criteria are you using for that? What constitutes a serious offender? Is it somebody who has been convicted and sentenced to a certain length of time?

Criminal Justice Committee

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Rona Mackay

Basically, it is for sentences of 12 months or more.