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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 June 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Prisons and Prison Policy

Meeting date: 15 September 2021

Rona Mackay

I completely agree.

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Criminal Justice Committee

Prisons and Prison Policy

Meeting date: 15 September 2021

Rona Mackay

I put on record how much I agree with what Bruce Adamson said about keeping children out of prison. The situation is clear cut and urgent. I agree on that for all the reasons that he articulated.

My questions are on the number of women prisoners and are directed to Wendy Sinclair-Gieben and Dr Katrina Morrison. It is nearly 10 years since Dame Elish Angiolini’s report on women offenders but we seem to have made little if any progress on the number of women prisoners. Earlier this month, the total female population was 290, including 93 remand prisoners. We know that women are often victims of abuse or have experienced trauma, and we know the disruption that is caused to families. Why are the numbers still so high? Are alternatives to custody not being used enough? Why do we not seem to have made a lot of progress on the matter?

Criminal Justice Committee

Reducing Youth Offending, Offering Community Justice Solutions and Alternatives to Custody

Meeting date: 15 September 2021

Rona Mackay

I put it on record that the secure care home in my constituency is excellent. It has trauma-informed care and offers qualifications to young people so that they can go on to positive destinations. I have visited it many times, and the experience that I have had and that I hear that the young people have is very good.

The problem of the lack of uniformity across Scotland in relation to secure care homes has been highlighted. It is great that there are good ones for young people, as there should be, and that some offer holistic care, but that is not commonplace or uniform. I am aware of the cross-border issue that has been mentioned. That is a result of the funding mechanism for secure care homes, which seems to be inappropriate and inadequate. Again, there is no uniformity—secure care homes have to bid for money and some get more than others, which just does not work. We need to look at that issue as a whole.

The secure care home that I have visited is excellent. I agree that the last resort should be to deprive children of their freedom but, as an alternative to prison and young offenders institutions, secure care homes have a place.

Criminal Justice Committee

Reducing Youth Offending, Offering Community Justice Solutions and Alternatives to Custody

Meeting date: 15 September 2021

Rona Mackay

Thank you—I agree with that.

Criminal Justice Committee

Reducing Youth Offending, Offering Community Justice Solutions and Alternatives to Custody

Meeting date: 15 September 2021

Rona Mackay

That is helpful.

Criminal Justice Committee

Reducing Youth Offending, Offering Community Justice Solutions and Alternatives to Custody

Meeting date: 15 September 2021

Rona Mackay

Will you comment briefly on the legislative barrier that you mentioned?

Criminal Justice Committee

Prisons and Prison Policy

Meeting date: 15 September 2021

Rona Mackay

Thank you for those helpful answers. Has any research been done on the reasons of the judiciary or sheriffs for giving women custodial sentences? Do they feel that there is not enough care in the community for them? It would be good to know what percentage of women are in prison because it is thought to be a safe environment, which would seem pretty contradictory. Do you know whether research has been done in the past or whether any will be done?

Criminal Justice Committee

Prisons and Prison Policy

Meeting date: 15 September 2021

Rona Mackay

I have a question for Teresa Medhurst and Allister Purdie about temporary and permanent arrangements for Covid challenges. In a previous evidence session, Ms Medhurst, you said that family video contact would be continued when we finally get through the pandemic, which is very welcome. Will you expand on that? Are any other measures being taken? The organisation Families Outside is very keen to make the best possible use of technology—for example, so that a parent could go to a parents’ evening.

I will tag on my second question, so that you can roll your answers into one. I welcome women’s custody units. We know about the importance of attachment between mothers and babies. Are any mother and baby units planned within the women’s custody units?

Criminal Justice Committee

Prisons and Prison Policy

Meeting date: 15 September 2021

Rona Mackay

The potential is there, but will it happen? I am thinking about overnight stays, for example, which would greatly enhance the mental health of the women and help with many of their problems. Is that actually going to happen?

Criminal Justice Committee

Covid (Justice Sector)

Meeting date: 8 September 2021

Rona Mackay

I would like Kate Wallace to comment on how the backlog has affected victims of domestic abuse. Some constituents who have contacted me have been extremely stressed about the situation. Domestic abuse is unique in being a crime that victims must live with every day. What are your thoughts on that? Do you have any preferred route for addressing that?