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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 May 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Clare Haughey

There is no law saying that, if someone happens to be standing there, I could complain to the police that they are silently praying and trying to intimidate me or change my intent to access the service.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Clare Haughey

Is that correct under current legislation or did I pick that up wrongly?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Clare Haughey

I will go to Ruth Maguire next, then to David Torrance and Ross Greer, but I have a question to ask first.

I want to get this clear in my head, and from the questions that members have asked, it does not sound as though everyone else is clear about it. If, after the bill is made law, a woman who is accessing the services sees one, two or even three people standing in the 200m exclusion zone and she is concerned that they might be praying silently, will she be able to make a complaint to the police or the authorities that she feels intimidated by those individuals without knowing why they happen to be standing in that exclusion zone?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Clare Haughey

I absolutely understand that, but I am trying to get a clear and practical example in my head. One, two or three people are standing in the zone for whatever reason. They are not carrying placards, vocally protesting or handing out leaflets; they are just standing there, but a woman who happens to be accessing services sees that group of people, or even just an individual, standing there and interprets that as them standing there silently praying, without any overt sign of that. That woman can then complain to the police that she felt intimidated by an individual being on the street.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Clare Haughey

Am I correct in saying that, if there was an incident within the 200m zone, you might then look to expand the zone further out?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Clare Haughey

Thank you, Mr Greer.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Clare Haughey

When I was referring to potential criminal matters, that would be within the 200m that the bill, if passed, would cover.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Clare Haughey

We continue our consideration of the Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill by taking evidence from the member in charge of the bill, Gillian Mackay.

I welcome to the meeting Gillian Mackay and, from the Scottish Government, Simon Cuthbert-Kerr, who is the deputy director for public health capabilities, and Ruth Wilson, who is a senior policy adviser.

I understand that Ms Mackay wishes to make a short opening statement.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Clare Haughey

Thank you, minister. We now move to questions from members.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Clare Haughey

You alluded to changes to healthcare provision and the way in which it is delivered. If, in the future, there was a decision to expand the definition to include general practices, as Sandesh Gulhane touched on earlier, and places such as pharmacies, would there be a consultation on that?