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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 30 October 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny and the Scottish Attainment Challenge

Meeting date: 27 September 2023

Jenny Gilruth

We will need to look at how we support that strategic change going forward.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny and the Scottish Attainment Challenge

Meeting date: 27 September 2023

Jenny Gilruth

The system will be very much separate from SEEMiS, which can be quite clunky.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny and the Scottish Attainment Challenge

Meeting date: 27 September 2023

Jenny Gilruth

Absolutely, and that is part of the on-going discussions that we are having with COSLA about the iterative process that I mentioned in response to Ross Greer. Currently, the funding is ring fenced, so we are engaging with COSLA on that.

On wraparound childcare services, we have the four pilots in Glasgow, Dundee, Clackmannanshire and Inverclyde. It is also important to say that we are investing additional funding, including a £2 million fund in partnership with the Scottish Football Association, to deliver funded after-school and holiday clubs for children and their families. That is being targeted toward our six priority family types—the committee will be aware of Shirley-Anne Somerville’s work in social justice. It is important that we have a cross-portfolio approach to recognise responsibilities in education, because that can help us to reach our targets on child poverty in other parts of Government.

I heard the concern that Mr Rennie expressed, and I will take that concern—and my own—to our engagement with COSLA in relation to the Verity house agreement process and how we can ensure that we meet the targets that the First Minister has set.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny and the Scottish Attainment Challenge

Meeting date: 27 September 2023

Jenny Gilruth

I will probably bring in Elizabeth. In my experience, it depends on the individual child, their context and their circumstances, so having a blanket national approach to attendance can be challenging. We need to recognise—I took notes as Elizabeth was speaking—that the data that I am presented with each fortnight shows variation at the local authority level. We need to be mindful that there is not one static national picture. In certain local authorities and in certain groups of children, attendance will be higher than it is elsewhere. Poverty has an impact on attendance. Therefore, I do not think that we could narrowly say, “Let’s just focus on attendance.” We need a renewed focus on attendance, though, because there are cohorts of young people who are not engaging with the education system in the way that they should be.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny and the Scottish Attainment Challenge

Meeting date: 27 September 2023

Jenny Gilruth

That is an important point, and I very much recognise the challenge and the opportunity that the flexible workforce development fund has provided. We reduced the allocation in 2022-23 and no final decision has been made on the fund. We are working to confirm the final position shortly, and I will be happy to provide the committee with an update. Obviously, that is part of budgetary negotiations, which have, as I have said on a number of occasions today, been very challenging. There is significant pressure, not just in education and schools but right across Scottish Government and our agency budget.

However, I appreciate the convener’s point about the uncertainty that that has caused for colleges and employers. We are working really hard with our partners to confirm the position as quickly as possible. I apologise that I cannot be more direct with you today, because those discussions are on-going as part of the budgetary negotiations.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny and the Scottish Attainment Challenge

Meeting date: 27 September 2023

Jenny Gilruth

I will be happy to provide that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny and the Scottish Attainment Challenge

Meeting date: 27 September 2023

Jenny Gilruth

Precisely.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny and the Scottish Attainment Challenge

Meeting date: 27 September 2023

Jenny Gilruth

The role of Government in the college sector is entirely different from its role in the school sector. I do not accept Mr Rennie’s comparison between the two. We do not get involved in operational decisions that are for our colleges to make, because they are independent.

I hear what Mr Rennie has outlined and intimated, and I agree that challenges undoubtedly exist, but to compare the colleges situation with the one that we recently faced in our schools is not fair.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny and the Scottish Attainment Challenge

Meeting date: 27 September 2023

Jenny Gilruth

The responsibilities for some of that rest with the Cabinet Secretary for Finance, and I do not want to speak on her behalf. However, the outcome of the current review of ring fencing will be taken into account and confirmed as part of the Scottish Government—[Interruption.]

You ask whether I have engaged with the Cabinet Secretary for Finance on the issue. Yes, I have, at numerous points during the recess period and more recently, in relation to how this will work. My officials and I are keen to build in an assurance and accountability framework that will protect education spend to some extent, because we need to recognise that, although education is delivered at a local level, there are pockets of education spend that are ring fenced by Government, for what I think are good reasons.

You allude to the issue of the pupil teacher ratio, which I think was raised in the committee’s meeting last week. Members will forgive me if I am incorrect on this, but, as officials and I have confirmed, we have not moved away from the pupil teacher ratio—there has not been a change in relation to that. In relation to teacher numbers, we can—

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny and the Scottish Attainment Challenge

Meeting date: 27 September 2023

Jenny Gilruth

Okay. I will leave it there. I have some views on the issue.