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Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 12 March 2025
Jenny Gilruth
I do not have my diary in front of me, but I know that I and my officials are scheduled to meet the Auditor General in the coming weeks. I am more than happy to write to the committee with a fulsome update on that point.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 12 March 2025
Jenny Gilruth
It is not about Education Scotland.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 12 March 2025
Jenny Gilruth
It could change at stage 2; however, if we do not start the process now, we will have to lead an alternative appointments process, and I have been advised that that would be truncated, far less robust and more open to challenge.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 12 March 2025
Jenny Gilruth
I do not accept that at all, Ms Duncan-Glancy. In fact, the Government is moving forward with the appointments process in advance of the stage 2 amendments—that has been a point of discussion today, which I will reflect on—because we want the new body to have a functioning operational board in place as soon as the bill is passed. That is hugely important. We do not want the creation of qualifications Scotland to be delayed in any way, shape or form.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 12 March 2025
Jenny Gilruth
The reality is that, if we do not have the order passed today, it will not be possible to start making regulated board appointments to qualifications Scotland before its establishment. That issue is within the committee’s gift, but I need to make members aware of the effect of not passing the order today.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 12 March 2025
Jenny Gilruth
The stage 2 and stage 3 timescales will be well in advance of the recruitment process having been finalised. I am not clear why you think that the Government will not have to reflect that in the recruitment process—of course we will, because the committee and Parliament’s decisions on amendments will impact on how the board is constructed.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 12 March 2025
Jenny Gilruth
Absolutely. We will have to reflect on the amendments that are agreed by the Parliament at stage 2 and, potentially, stage 3, and reflect that in the board composition and the subsequent recruitment that takes place. You can take reassurance on that point.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 12 March 2025
Jenny Gilruth
Things could change as far as the board’s composition is concerned. I hope that you hear my acceptance on that point. However, I have been provided with advice on the risks of our not having an operational board if the draft order that is before the committee is not passed today. It would delay the process that needs to be undertaken, to which Ms Hicks has spoken.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 12 March 2025
Jenny Gilruth
Nico made a hugely important point. In the stage 1 report there was acceptance that a board would need to be created. There is a requirement for the order to be introduced to allow us to do so. I take on board the convener’s and Ms Duncan-Glancy’s points about stages 2 and 3. We have given a reassurance today that the Government will have to reflect that in our recruitment processes, but that is a normal part of a Government establishing a new NDPB. On the other hand, considering an alternative approach would leave the Government open to the risk of having to run a truncated recruitment process that might not be acceptable to the Ethical Standards Commissioner. We would need to speak to the commissioner about that.
There would be an inherent risk in our not moving forward with the order, because we would not be able to make the required appointments, notwithstanding that the Government would have to—and will—listen to amendments at stages 2 and 3. This is about timescales in establishing the new body. If the committee were to vote down the order today, or not move on it, that would delay the appointments process, and potentially delay the establishment of qualifications Scotland as a body. Members should be aware of that real inherent risk this morning.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 12 March 2025
Jenny Gilruth
Mr Mason, I am not surprised by some of the questioning, although I am not sure that I share your views about my former union—the EIS.
This is a normal order, and such orders are required when making board appointments. I accept that there is a diverse range of views around the committee table in relation to board appointments, and the Government will have to reflect that in its recruitment processes. If we do not move now, there will be a delay to appointment processes. That would be concerning, because that would impact on the delivery model that is associated with qualifications Scotland.
The member spoke about the Scottish Fiscal Commission. I also reflect my responsibilities, in a previous life, as Minister for Transport, when we routinely appointed board members to Scottish Rail Holdings Limited. It will be of interest to Ms Duncan-Glancy to note that there was railway trade union representation on the SRH board, which was an ask at that time.
As I said, this is a normal order. I go back to my concern about delaying the process, but that is a matter for the committee to decide on today; it is not for me.