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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 7 March 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Cross-portfolio Session

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Jenny Gilruth

It is.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Cross-portfolio Session

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Jenny Gilruth

In the past financial year, we managed to increase the number of teachers in our schools by 63, thanks to the Liberal Democrats and others around the table supporting extra funding for our teachers, which was welcomed.

As Mr Rennie knows, the Government does not employ teachers, so certain local authorities have taken the money but reduced teacher numbers, and, in relation to the issues that Mr Greer raised, there are challenges because of that. I will pursue that issue directly with COSLA.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Cross-portfolio Session

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Jenny Gilruth

Yes, I do.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Cross-portfolio Session

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Jenny Gilruth

I am not necessarily sure that I was blaming anyone, Mr Rennie. I was simply pointing out that the financial environment that we have is different to the one that existed in 2021.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Cross-portfolio Session

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Jenny Gilruth

I also point to the significant increase in teacher salaries that we have seen since 2021. The significant increases—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Cross-portfolio Session

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Jenny Gilruth

That petition has been on-going for a number of years and involves a number of different individuals. We are actively looking at the petitioners’ asks. We note that the Scottish child abuse inquiry has looked to undertake a much more extensive review of child protection policy, and the petition is linked to that. As I understand it, the inquiry will report on its recommendations in due course. I am mindful of that and of the whistleblowing petition. Andrew Watson might want to say more about officials’ engagement on that specific issue.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Cross-portfolio Session

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Jenny Gilruth

The national facilities are quite unique in that they serve a relatively small number of pupils. It would be remiss of me not to say that. However, our schools often have ASN units. In my constituency, one high school has a department for additional support, for example. Parents quite often vote with their feet by sending their child to the DAS unit in that local school, because they know that it has trained staff with the necessary expertise that allows their child to experience mainstream education but also get additional support in that facility. I see many schools undertaking very similar approaches, and PEF money allows some of them to employ additional staff in order to deliver such support.

You mentioned approaches in Glasgow. I would be keen to hear more detail from you on that. I do not know whether you can write to me. I am conscious of the time, but I am keen to understand the issues that you highlight, which are, I suppose, the same as those that I get in my inbox when parents feel frustrated that things have not worked out and have had to take action against the local authority because they are not getting the right support. If that has escalated to tribunal, that is very challenging and it should not be happening.

One of the ways in which we could consider that work is through a national stage intervention model, which we are looking at. That would provide greater consistency nationally in how local authorities work. The expectations of parents and children of how their needs should be met would provide for much more consistency. I do not want to say too much more on that today, because we have the review that I have committed to that will consider those issues in the round. However, Mr Mason’s point about consistency is important.

There is variance across the education system. That is the nature of having 32 councils run our schools, but there could be an approach at the national level that provides for greater consistency through a staged approach to interventions for our children and young people with identified additional support needs.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Cross-portfolio Session

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Jenny Gilruth

I am not necessarily apprised of a differential in socioeconomic background at Donaldson’s particularly, but I am happy to take that away and interrogate the data with officials, because that is certainly not the position that we should be supporting at national level.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Cross-portfolio Session

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Jenny Gilruth

Yes, it is.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Cross-portfolio Session

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Jenny Gilruth

I am more than happy to engage with them, convener. I would, however, put on the record that the site for the new school is a matter for the local authority. It is not for me, as cabinet secretary, to come in and tread on the toes of local government. I am, however, happy to have that engagement, convener.