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Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 4 June 2024
Ivan McKee
Yes, but the counterfactual is important. If part of what they see as being their role is to change perceptions and priorities, you could argue that, in an advocacy role, that is what they are trying to deliver. They are not necessarily trying to deliver a service.
However, you could also look at, for example, child poverty, and say that Scotland is clearly in a significantly better place than the rest of the United Kingdom. You could argue that there is evidence that supports that, but whether you attribute that to the Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland is a matter for debate and for the relevant committee to dig into in more detail.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 4 June 2024
Ivan McKee
Again, we might want to take more information directly from those who work in that space in Government, but, clearly, it is hugely important that the Scottish Fiscal Commission is independent of the Government. I am new in post, but I understand that the extent to which its budgeting process is assessed and its direct interaction with the Government over its operational efficiency will absolutely be part of the conversation. That said, it is hugely important that we draw a line between that and its independence in the way in which it carries out its function.
It is an interesting point, though, and I am happy to explore it further and come back with more specifics.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 4 June 2024
Ivan McKee
That is up to Parliament to decide. I will not tell the convener how to run his committee, but if the committee decided that it wanted to do that, the Government would be supportive of that step.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 4 June 2024
Ivan McKee
I will be careful what I say. It surprised me, but, as I said at the outset, it is absolutely not Government’s job to tell committees which witnesses they should bring in and what they should ask them.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 4 June 2024
Ivan McKee
That would primarily come through the committee structure, so that relates to the answer that I have given: Parliament would bring people in and take evidence from them through its committee structure, and it is in everybody’s interest that parliamentary committees are doing that as effectively as possible.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 4 June 2024
Ivan McKee
No; that is not what I said, either. The Parliament has a scrutiny function to perform, which it carries out through its committees. There is a budget for carrying out that work. One of the SPCB’s roles is to ensure that it is managed, effectively and efficiently, and delivers on what the Parliament has asked it to do. The same case could be made right across the landscape for any of the other public sector bodies that are asked to carry out functions. They have a budget—in many cases, a reducing budget—to deliver similar services. That is what efficient government is about.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 4 June 2024
Ivan McKee
I am not saying that they do not, or that we are not doing that, or that we are not robustly assessing proposals as they come forward, or that the Parliament should not be looking at and reviewing existing commissioners to see whether they are delivering value for money, or that the Government will not support that work, because we very much look forward to doing so.
10:30Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 4 June 2024
Ivan McKee
I heard the evidence that the SPCB gave. Its position is that the Parliament as a whole decides whether there should be a commissioner, and then the SPCB—“inherits” is probably the wrong word—executes that function and channels the budget through to the commissioner.
Commissioners are held to account through the committee structure, as you well know. When I was on committees, that is exactly what happened; commissioners would come in periodically and be asked to account for the work that they were undertaking.
As I understand it, the relationship between the SPCB and the commissioners involves a framework that enables commissioners to be clear about the expectation of the Parliament and its committees. I suppose that the SPCB is right in that it does not create the commissioners, which are created by the Parliament as a whole.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 4 June 2024
Ivan McKee
My expectation is that savings will be delivered in this fiscal year. That is already happening through our work on estates, procurement frameworks, IT systems, shared services and so on. Work is already happening, and my expectation is that more significant savings will be identified through the conversations about next year’s budget, which are happening now, and we will carry on from there.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 4 June 2024
Ivan McKee
No—I think that we are all good. Thank you very much.