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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 21 November 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) (Scotland) Act 2012 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Ivan McKee

With respect, I say that that is very different to what we are talking about. That was a tax that raised a revenue. You are right that there is data on that, but there is no data specifically on the additional revenue that has flowed through retailers and up the supply chain directly as a consequence of MUP.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) (Scotland) Act 2012 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Ivan McKee

This is my final question. Again, I am quite perplexed. In effect, this is an opportunity for retailers, convenience stores and grocers to increase prices without increasing costs. I am not clear about why you see the increase as such an economic challenge, unless you can answer the earlier question and unpick who is charging who more, and what data is telling you about reduced revenue and profits, if that is the consequence.

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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) (Scotland) Act 2012 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Ivan McKee

You are asking the wrong person. I was in business for 30 years before I came into politics, and have run a lot of very profitable businesses.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) (Scotland) Act 2012 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Ivan McKee

Right. So the reduction in value will not be as dramatic, because the price will have more than doubled in many cases. Thank you very much for that data.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) (Scotland) Act 2012 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Ivan McKee

Good morning, panel. This is a hugely important subject and many of us have probably had family members or friends who have succumbed to alcohol harm and passed away earlier than they should have done.

I want to focus a wee bit on the economics of this. I am sorry, but I will be a bit geeky to kick off. Dr MacGilchrist, I am trying to get my head round what the labels are on the axes in the chart in your submission. Do you have it to hand?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) (Scotland) Act 2012 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Ivan McKee

There are four industry experts in the room. I was hoping that one of you at least might have some data. Does anyone else want to comment?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) (Scotland) Act 2012 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Ivan McKee

The question I am asking you is about—

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) (Scotland) Act 2012 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Ivan McKee

I have a brief question about that data point of 16 per cent. Has that number gone up or gone down since the introduction of MUP?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) (Scotland) Act 2012 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Ivan McKee

I understand what it is trying to tell us, and thanks for laying that out—

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) (Scotland) Act 2012 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Ivan McKee

—but it would just be nice to know what the numbers mean. It would be helpful if you could dig out that information. It would also be nice to know whether there is any data since then—I think that you said that the data in the graph goes up only to 2007. Anything beyond that, for the past 15 years or so, would be really helpful to see.