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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 23 June 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Ivan McKee

Good morning, panel. Thanks very much for coming along to share your thoughts with us.

I want to focus on the aspects of the bill that will create criminal offences, and specifically on the approach of prohibiting behaviours rather than specific activities. I would like to get your perspective on that and your sense of how that would work. Do you have any concerns about that, or do you think that that is the right approach? Those sections of the bill also provide for penalties for people who breach the legislation. What is your perspective on that?

I will open up those questions to anyone who wants to come in.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Ivan McKee

That is a helpful clarification. I have one other question to ask. You may or may not want to give any details on this, but one of the things that has been mentioned a number of times this morning in relation to behaviours and impact is inaccurate medical information being given out. Do you want to share any examples of that?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Ivan McKee

Thank you for your interesting research on the issue. I have a couple of questions about impact. You mentioned a couple of legal cases that have been unsuccessful. Are you aware of any legal challenges that have been successful?

Where legislation is in place, have there been convictions or have charges been brought? You are looking at the issue globally, and some jurisdictions are very different; I am interested in your perspective on jurisdictions such as Ireland that are more similar to Scotland. I also have a follow-up question on the UK legislation.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Ivan McKee

Yes.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Ivan McKee

That is fine. I suppose that it is too early to say how such charges progress, if and when they are brought, with regard to giving some clarity on what behaviours are or are not acceptable or fall within the legislation.

My other questions follow up on the point about the UK legislation. If I understand it correctly, the provisions for abortion zones in that legislation are couched in terms of broader zones in relation to other protest activities. Is that correct? That might include people who are protesting outside workplaces because they are not happy about what is manufactured there, people who are protesting outside other facilities because they are not happy about something that is happening in a specific area, or other forms of political protest. Is that how the UK legislation is framed?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Ivan McKee

No—that is fine. If I understand it correctly, that legislation makes a clear distinction between other protests and abortion zone provisions. Is that correct?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Information Commissioner

Meeting date: 22 February 2024

Ivan McKee

Right—so that is excluded from the cost calculation.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Information Commissioner

Meeting date: 22 February 2024

Ivan McKee

Could that have a significant impact on your case load?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Information Commissioner

Meeting date: 22 February 2024

Ivan McKee

Good morning. I would like to explore the backlog and the case load numbers. You say that you have seen the number of cases reducing. Can you give us a sense of why that is? Do you anticipate that that will continue to be the case?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Information Commissioner

Meeting date: 22 February 2024

Ivan McKee

I was going to ask about complexity. Clearly, such cases bump into the cost restriction at some point, which I suppose puts a limit on how complex cases can get before they breach that.