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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 20 November 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Ivan McKee

The cost runs into hundreds of millions. The total cost is around £700 million, and the UK Government has paid roughly half of that. As for the rest of it, I think that we paid 60 per cent in many cases; I will check the exact numbers. The Scottish Government has made transfers to support portfolios, but you are absolutely right that the pain caused by that has been shared. The Scottish Government is putting in funds where we can to provide support for that to a significant degree, but those funds do not cover all the costs for all parts of the public sector, due to the scale of the impact.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Ivan McKee

It means that the cost that it had estimated is not all being spent in a particular year. We will never be able to judge in advance exactly what the cost profile might be. Things will change throughout the year for a number of reasons. As a consequence of that, as you know, we regularly see a capital position in which not all the capital budget has been spent in that year.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Ivan McKee

If it is helpful, we can come back with a more detailed explanation of how this flows through, but the bottom line is that on paper the number is moving but, in reality, that does not have a day-to-day impact on the Scottish budget. That is a function of a number of factors, including how the UK Government treats it.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Ivan McKee

The concern would be to get the spending on a demand-led service within 5 or 6 per cent of the budget. I suggest that that would a reasonable projection.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Ivan McKee

Absolutely, that needs to be delivered. I understand the point that you are making. Part of the answer is that we might bring in information technology staff, for example, who are well paid because of their skills, but that is significantly cheaper than hiring contractors or contracting a third party to deliver those services. That has been a significant aspect of the increased bill for those pay grades, but across the whole budget it has delivered significant cost reductions.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Ivan McKee

The civil service is now operating on a total operating cost that is to target. That is one of the changes that we are making as we go into next year. Something that adds another layer of complexity, which the committee wants to get its head around, is that, traditionally, the total operating budget for the Scottish Government has been allocated by portfolio, so the budget for the core Scottish Government has been a small part of much bigger portfolios’ budgets. We are looking separately at that, through the lens of the total operating cost, and at setting budgets for that. That means that the Scottish Government core civil service has not only workforce targets but financial targets that have been laid out.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Ivan McKee

Which other areas?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Ivan McKee

They are operating costs for the SQA. That budget needs to be reset to reflect the reality of its costs. That is an issue that we need to address.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Ivan McKee

I think that I am coming back next week to talk to you about that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Ivan McKee

We are very conscious of the cost pressures that house builders, particularly SME house builders, are under. There has been extensive engagement with Homes for Scotland and round-table meetings have been held with SME house builders on that. We recognise that a number of legislative and regulatory cost pressures are impacting on the cost of delivering housing units. I look forward, with interest, to seeing the evidence that you are taking on that this week and I will reflect on that before I talk to you next week.