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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 22 November 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ivan McKee

The approach is what we, as a team of ministers and officials, have arrived at in working to understand how we can best configure the finances to deal with the challenges that we have identified. The contingency seems to be the most effective, efficient and controlled way of doing that, because it gives us the flexibility to approach those challenges at the year end.

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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ivan McKee

Let us see how it works this year. There are clearly a number of factors, including the extent to which the budget is challenging, the extent to which the forecast on demand-led programmes looks accurate, and the extent to which the borrowing profile plays through. In principle, the approach seems to make sense at this stage, but as we work through the year, we will learn more about the details of its operation.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ivan McKee

What we are talking about now is the end of this financial year. There are, as we move into the next financial year, many moving parts to consider, such as consequentials, other potential challenges that depend on the UK Government’s spending profile, demand-led resource and capital slippage, and a range of other things that we have talked about. Based on what transpires over the year and depending on what we learn from this financial year, it might make sense to repeat the process as we move into the next financial year, in order to give us that flexibility. That relates to the point that John Mason made about how we make sure that we stay within the fairly tight limits in respect of borrowing requirements.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ivan McKee

There is a specific issue with health. Health had been able to release that money from the budget this year, and we want to move it through into next year. We have identified that funding specifically, as part of the overall number. It can be moved into the next financial year to support what will, as always, be a challenging year for health budgets as we move into 2025-26.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ivan McKee

Absolutely. I would expect the private sector cost to be higher, but we will come back to you with the numbers. As you said, that spending is a consequence of the broader issue around prison numbers.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ivan McKee

On the dynamics of pay negotiations, I am sure that you are very well aware of how those operate and that understanding how they are going to play out involves setting expectations. It is an environment in which information that is in the public domain can impact where the negotiations land. It is important that that is taken into account when we are going through that process.

The point that is coming through from your questions is that there are a huge number of variables and it all comes back to the fact that the Scottish Government has to balance its budget at the year end. We have to manage all the variables in a way that allows us to do that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ivan McKee

I thought that that would pique your interest, convener.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ivan McKee

As I said, a number of inquiries are running, including others that we have not mentioned. I looked at the annual and total costs with officials this morning. We can provide the committee with information on their total cost to date, the annual costs, their projected costs and the budget for them going forward.

As has been indicated, the inquiries are given independence to operate, and we are less focused on them than on other areas in which we may be able to drive more immediate results. To be honest, there is probably a broader issue around proceeding with inquiries in a way that recognises their budgetary implications, which clearly arise at the point at which the Parliament makes a decision on them.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ivan McKee

I have taken your job from you, convener.

Motion agreed to.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ivan McKee

Okay.